Jump to content


  • Tweets

  • Posts

  • Our picks

    • If you are buying a used car – you need to read this survival guide.
      • 1 reply
    • Hello,

      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

      The next day, 18/1/24 noticed amber engine warning light on dashboard , immediately phoned BMW aftercare team to ask for it to be investigated asap at nearest garage to me. After 15 mins on hold was told only their 5 service centres across the UK can deal with car issues with earliest date for inspection in March ! Said I’m not happy with that given what sales team advised or driving car. Told an amber warning light only advisory so to drive with caution and call back when light goes red.

      I’m not happy to do this, drive the car or with the after care experience (a sign of further stresses to come) so want a refund and to return the car asap.

      Please can you advise what I need to do today to get this done. 
       

      Many thanks 
      • 81 replies
    • Housing Association property flooding. https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/438641-housing-association-property-flooding/&do=findComment&comment=5124299
      • 162 replies
    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
      Also, we will be to demonstrate to the judge that we are fair-minded and that we don't mind bringing everything to the attention of the judge even if it is against our own interests.
      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

      OT APPROVED, 365MC637, FAROOQ, EVRi, 12.07.23 (BRENT) - J v4.pdf
        • Like

Flight class change


Recommended Posts

Can a travel company change the class of a flight to a poorer standard and still charge the same for the holiday? The original booking was made with premium cabin on a return from cuba but they made a mistake in loading flight information and are trying to get us to accept this. We made the booking on the basis of the original flight and paid a deposit. Now they are saying they can't afford to let us go on that basis but will allow us to cancel. This may leave us with limited holiday options because holiday time is booked at work and can't be altered. Do we have a claim?

Edited by johna9
spelling
Link to post
Share on other sites

I would imagine if you have the particulars of the holiday in writing along with the payment quotation they should honour this.

 

not sure if this is covered in the montreal convention perhaps take a look there

Link to post
Share on other sites

perhaps to save you time ring or email a similar airline i.e. if you flights are with BA ring Virgin and ask if they would do the same thing - sometimes they give you the answer quickly so you don't have to trawl though loads of paperwork - cheeky but effective!

  • Haha 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

They can't afford it? They work these things out to the penny before they sell them. oh well, somethings happened... very inconvienient for you. :(

 

If you do need to cancel, make sure it is without cost, as it is they who have welched on the contract (be very mindful of this in case they try and charge you....I wouldn't be surprised)

 

I hope you get something sorted for the same price...or less!

Link to post
Share on other sites

Does the fact that they have accepted payment in the form of a deposit not make this a full contract now. If so surley they should now honour it if not then can any body enlighten me of my usual ignorance.

Had something similar with my wedding ring, got a really good deal but we paid full price though. When they realised the offer only applied to rings in store they tried to reneg but couldn't as we had a reciept with the payment and ring size expected. Just a thought but I though they had to honour the deal now they have accepted money.

Hope you get have a nice trip though.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Does the fact that they have accepted payment in the form of a deposit not make this a full contract now. If so surley they should now honour it if not then can any body enlighten me of my usual ignorance.

Had something similar with my wedding ring, got a really good deal but we paid full price though. When they realised the offer only applied to rings in store they tried to reneg but couldn't as we had a reciept with the payment and ring size expected. Just a thought but I though they had to honour the deal now they have accepted money.

Hope you get have a nice trip though.

 

I don't think so reading this, which answers a couple of questions in the OP. The difference maybe because this is a service yet to be taken, but as ever, I'm not 100% :D

 

    Significant alterations to essential terms
    12. In every contract there are implied terms to the effect that—
     
      (a) where the organiser is constrained before the departure to alter significantly an essential term of the contract, such as the price (so far as regulation 11 permits him to do so), he will notify the consumer as quickly as possible in order to enable him to take appropriate decisions and in particular to withdraw from the contract without penalty or to accept a rider to the contract specifying the alterations made and their impact on the price; and

      (b) the consumer will inform the organiser or the retailer of his decision as soon as possible.

    Withdrawal by consumer pursuant to regulation 12 and cancellation by organiser
    13.—(1) The terms set out in paragraphs (2) and (3) below are implied in every contract and apply where the consumer withdraws from the contract pursuant to the term in it implied by virtue of regulation 12(a), or where the organiser, for any reason other than the fault of the consumer, cancels the package before the agreed date of departure.
     
    (2) The consumer is entitled—
     
      (a) to take a substitute package of equivalent or superior quality if the other party to the contract is able to offer him such a substitute; or

      (b) to take a substitute package of lower quality if the other party to the contract is able to offer him one and to recover from the organiser the difference in price between the price of the package purchased and that of the substitute package; or

      © to have repaid to him as soon as possible all the monies paid by him under the contract.

    (3) The consumer is entitled, if appropriate, to be compensated by the organiser for non-performance of the contract except where—

     

      (a) the package is cancelled because the number of persons who agree to take it is less than the minimum number required and the consumer is informed of the cancellation, in writing, within the period indicated in the description of the package; or

      (b) the package is cancelled by reason of unusual and unforeseeable circumstances beyond the control of the party by whom this exception is pleaded, the consequences of which could not have been avoided even if all due care had been exercised.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I see what your saying but regulation 12 is based on incidents out of thier control i.e ''(a) where the organiser is constrained before the departure'' , not because they cant do the sums. 11 Doesn't count as it there is no price change,

 

 

I think regulation 4 will help though.

 

Descriptive matter relating to packages must not be misleading

4.—(1) No organiser or retailer shall supply to a consumer any descriptive matter concerning a package, the price of a package or any other conditions applying to the contract which contains any misleading information.

 

(2) If an organiser or retailer is in breach of paragraph (1) he shall be liable to compensate the consumer for any loss which the consumer suffers in consequence

 

They have effectively said the holiday will be one price and they have all agreed then after a while they have refused to honour this agreement and lowered the class, would the OP have agreed to this holiday with at that price and at the class now being offered. I think the ''descriptive matter concerning the package'' is misleading. May be pedantick as it wasn't malicious but they still did it and may sway an arguement.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Recently Browsing   0 Caggers

    • No registered users viewing this page.

  • Have we helped you ...?


×
×
  • Create New...