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    • Few tweaks as the run order was completely messed up and the main point of your defence (reconstituted agreement) pushed to the bottom of the statement.   I, XXXXXX, being the Defendant in this case will state as follows; I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in this claim and further to my set aside application dated 1 November 2022. 1.The claimants witness statement confirms that it mostly relies on hearsay evidence as confirmed by the drafts in person in the opening paragraph. It is my understanding they must serve notice to any hearsay evidence pursuant to CPR 33.2(1)(B) (notice of intention to rely on hearsay evidence) and Section 2 (1) (A) of the Civil Evidence Act. 2.  I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already wrote off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimants witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. 3. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights.  This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information).  The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 4.  I became aware of original Judgement following a routine credit check on or around 14th September 2020. 5. The alleged letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 was served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018, no effort was made to ascertain my correct address.  I have attached a copy of my tenancy agreement which is marked ‘Appendix 1’ and shows I was residing at a difference address as of 11 December 2018 and was therefore not at the service address at the time the proceedings were served.  I have also attached an email from my solicitors to the Claimants solicitors dated 14 July 2022 which was sent to them requesting that they disclose the trace of evidence they utilised prior to issuing the proceedings against me.  This is marked ‘Appendix 2’. The claimants solicitors did not provide me with these documents. 6. Under The Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims 2017 a Debt Buyer must undertake all reasonable enquiries to ensure the correct address of a debtor, this can be as simple as a credit file search. The Claimant failed to carry out such basic checks. Subsequently all letters prior to and including ,The Pre action Protocol letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 and the claim form dated 14th February 2020 were all served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018. 7. Upon the discovery of the Judgement debt, I made immediate contact with the Court and the Claimant Solicitors, putting them on notice that I was making investigations in relation to the Judgement debt as it was not familiar to me.  I asked them to provide me with a copy of the original loan agreement but this was not provided to me.   The correspondence to the Claimant Solicitor's is attached and marked ‘Appendix 3’ 8. On (insert date) I successfully made application to set a side the judgment. The claim proceeded to allocation, 9. The claimant failed to comply with the additional directions ordered by District Judge Davis on the 2 February 2024 'The Claim shall be automatically struck out at 4pm on 3 April 2024 unless the Claimant delivers to the Court and to the Defendant the following documents.' None of these documents were received by the court nor the defendant by that date. (insert date you did receive the documents) I then sent a Data Subject Access Request to Barclays but no agreement was provided. Details the timeline of communication between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 4’and the copies of correspondence between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 5’. Remove irrelevant 10.The claimant relies upon and has exhibited a reconstituted version of the alleged agreement. It is again denied that I have ever entered into an agreement with Barclaycard on or around 2000.  It is admitted that I did hold other credit agreements with other creditors and as such should this be a debt that was assigned to Barclaycard from another brand therefore the reconstituted agreement disclosed is invalid being pre April 2007 and not legally enforceable pursuant to HHJ Judge Waksman in Carey v HSBC 2009 EWHC3417.  Details of this are attached and marked ‘Appendix 6’. The original credit agreement must be provided along with any reconstituted version on a modified credit agreement and must contain the names and address of debtor and creditor, agreement number and cancelation clause. 11. Therefore the claimant is put to strict proof to disclose a true executed legible agreement on which its claim relies upon and not mislead the court. 12. It is denied I have ever received a default Notice pursuant to sec 87(1) CCA1974.The claimant is put to strict proof to evidence from the original creditors internal document software the trigger of said notice.  13.   As per CPR 1.4(2)(a) the court encourages parties to cooperate with each other in the conduct of proceedings in order to try and save time and costs for the parties and to also save the time and resources of the court however, despite vast attempts at mediation the claimants have been most unreasonable and have remained unwilling to mediate. 14. Until such time the claimant can comply and disclose a true executed copy of the original assigned agreement they refer to within the particulars of this claim they are not entitled while the default continues, to enforce the agreement pursuant to section 78.6 (a) of the Credit Consumer Act 1974. I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true.  I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. Signed                 ………………………………………………….. Name                  XXXX Date                     30 April 2024   Run 3 copies Court /Claimants Sol/File
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    • Court name UNKNOWN Case number ********** Amount N/A Confirmed by Insolvency Service Date issued May 2021 Type Voluntary Arrangement Notes If you have questions about voluntary arrangements you should speak to the Insolvency Service.     I started this in 2021. So it's been about 3 years I've been paying. 
    • Thanks @lookinforinfo@Nicky Boyi sent across the agreement earlier in this thread. No mention of financial reward to the MA. But, I wouldn't be surprised if it was done on the sly. As I said earlier, the owner of OPS is a convicted criminal, with a very shady reputation around these parts.
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think SAR is a good idea ,link to reg addresses attached ,to see if u have any grounds to set aside the ccj?

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/faqs-please-read-these/31052-contact-details-banks-j.html

Im not sure its so easy when the debt mgmt co have filled it in first as I ve seen threads by Von Greenbach where this has caused probs but maybe worth lookin at.The thread looks like a similar situation to yours, might give u a few ideas..

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collection-industry/172098-vg-northen-rock-charging.html

Im tryin to set aside 2 ccj s at the mom link here (they pretty much the same) if u wanna see what i ve dun so far, to prepare for any future action:

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general-debt-issues/180864-finding-faulty-cca-agreements.html

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spam thats why I have 3 ccj s 2 with charging orders. I wasnt in a place to sort it out, you do get to that place. Im on that path n so are u now.dont beat urself up just get the job done as best u can.

1. POC- Particulars Of Claim example on this form here (lower left):

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt231/robntanya/LLOYDSODRAFTPOC.jpg

2. if HFC are the OC (Original Creditors) then yes send it (SAR) to them at the reg address on the previous link.

3. SAR template here:

http://www.consumerforums.com/resources/templates-library/86-debt-collectors/576-subject-access-request-debt-a-dca.html

4.I have SARd the DCA as well for some of mine and received all they had on me its another £10 fee tho.

oh one point on all this ..dont sign anything at all, just print and use postal orders if u can not sure if anyone has mentioned that.

hope that helps til the experts arrive

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hi spam, ive signed stuff before I knew better and it doesnt seem to have been used in a spurious fashion just yet, so dont worry too much. I m no expert but I wouldnt be worrying too much about the credit report, best to concentrate and get the facts straight so u can decide on the next course of action. the credit report can be sorted out at a later date if u get this set aside so focus on that would be my plan.

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hi spam, looking in gd shape then. FG will im sure have some more excellent advice for u when online but i can help a bit for now:

1. thats what i did and it was fine. didnt need anth else other than relevant docs to get the hearing.

2. what ur trying to do is prove u have a valid defence under 13.3, so as FG says if ur gend up on CCA issues and they have no/poor answers/docs ur half way there. look back at post#70 and get all ur arguments in place. no need to supply docs early can take em with u, but i would make an 'easy reading' bullet point list to have in front of u and supporting docs properly labelled separately, so that u can reference them easily when u get questions fired at u. i ll leave FG to the difficult stuff seems very gd at it lol ...best of luck tho.

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spam just a thought and id be interested to hear wot FG thought as well, but u cud formulate a draft defence, in anticipation of the DJ needing clarification on the ponts of CCA1974 and caselaw that u r referencing. my case as u know was adjourned just for that reason but for u it may leave the other side a bit flat footed and prompt the DJ to see your side better and perhaps make a ruling there and then? just a thought as i say.......

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other than subscribing to a credit agency, i think this might help its a bit small spam but i think u might be able to enlarge it and u can just make the web address and ph number anyway.

http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/courtfinder/forms/ex320_0406.pdf

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hi spam, if it were me, i think id be inclined to concentrate on the stuff to get the set aside, ie CA, default notice, NOA, etc. this other stuff is great defence fodder but dont let it knock u off the scent so to speak. if they have no enforceable CA or other docs they have no case and u have gd grounds. have u had a hearing date for the set aside yet? i dont like to be the one to suggest it cos im not 100% on this stuff but cpr disclosure might be a gd step. to my mind if u go thru the steps to get the docs ie. CA rqst/SAR/CPR/CPR reminder/possibly (as per PT thread) CPR enforcement and u still get nth or garbage, at least u have shown the DJ that u have tried every possible means to get the relevant info b4 u even set foot in the court. also if u ve dun all that its got to make it diff for them to come back and have a crack at the judgment in the future, which is smth else to bear in mind. others may have better ideas but thats wot makes sense to me. hope u dont mind my commenting

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Don't want the DJ to say ' well you admitted it so what are you whingeing about go away and stop wasting my time!':D

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ur goin for set aside under 13.3 so he shudnt if u have a decent defence.

if u read PTs thread u need to be very reasonable in the time given to reply, so soon as i wud have thought, IF u want to go that route. u have an impending hearing so u cant be too generous. other opinion would be gd on this.

 

I think that if it gets to the stage where the judge makes an order for disclosure and you both hand in your evidence then both sides have to disclose everything they have in relsation to the debt so that would include letters etc would'nt it??

 

do u mean on the enforcement of the cpr?if so, i think (only my own observations) at that point u have specified the docs u wanna see (depending on which u used) which wud generally be the major docs reqd for enforcement. please correct me if im wrong id hate to mislead spam.

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sorry spam i hope this is all relevant and not hijacking. something occurred to me whilst i was doing my cpr rqsts. that being if u get to the point of n244 application for disclosure, you can ask in the draft order that unless they comply the court set aside the juidgment. i cant remember if that equates with PTs advice as that thread is not abt set asides but it seemed reasonable to me. thats why im wondering if it would be useful in your circumstances as it would in effect remove the need to go thru the set aside hearing (or have both at the same time maybe). that is of course if u get no reply to speak of. either way u will know wot u r dealing with, which i believe was the point of that thread in the first place, allowing u to formulate a proper defence with a proper paper trail. just my thoughts from what ive been doing in my own cases.

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I've been preparing my CPR request and I am now confused as to which rule I am requesting it under.

 

Having read the Stickys I see there is a 31.4 and a 31.6.

 

As I am going for a set aside hearing (date not set as yet)of judgement already in force which one do I use??

 

Help please...is it PTs or X20s :confused:

 

think u mean 31.14/31.16. IGNM advoates 31.14 in post above. i think from memory x20 posted that.

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Can anyone please tell me what I should be looking out for in respect of unlawful charges etc. Bearing in mind this was a credit card agreement.

Thanks peeps. :D

 

hi spam, i wud say any charges. the fact that they are there at all without an agreement to back them up makes them unlawful after all how cud they chge interest when u have no stipulation as to the rate charged, how cud they charge penalties without any stipulation as to the level of chge, or why it was charged, etc ,etc? i think they wud just all get lumped together in any defence anyhow.

doesnt seem like a proper SAR reply to me, no bal on statements!!! no CA/DN/NOA is gd news at this point i wud say. have they previously sent u anth to go on at all, like a blank agreement or smtg like that?

have u dun the 31.14 rqst yet?

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BTW Thanks for the info on calculating the charges etc...the trouble is, without a balance I can't do the spread sheet thing! So I'm stumped for the time being...:confused:

 

mm gd point. there is a simple calc in the bank charges section on www.moneysavingexpert.com if u go thru, which if i remember rightly simply calcs the interest from the date of the charge and adds them all together, giving u a printable table at the end. might be worth a look if it gives u a start and its smth to add to ur case in tha absence of a balance....shocking!!!

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hi spam,

ur not alone, ive got exactly the same issue. well i expect i have anyway, phone call on monday will clear up the issue. i did the same, asked for without hearing, judge dismissed that and said hearing necessary, but it has taken over 6 weeks to even get a date, which on the face of it they have lumped together (2 disc apps and 2 set asides)!!!! im wondering if its an ignorance thing within the court (or DJs).

however from the small dealings ive had with the courts, they seem snowed all the time, so in their defence, maybe they like to get these issues resolved in one go as far as is possible. not good for us unfortunately but understandable.

so hes also prob miffed about only getting only one digestive with his cold cup of cha too!!! ;)

im happy to go ahead with what they ve provided (very little) in all honesty. maybe thats the same for u? if they say at the hearing, u ve had all we ve got then perhaps theres an angle there to expolit. if it stands as is (the hearings together) then maybe labour that point so they can only use what they have produced thus far and build your defence accordingly......gonna be very diff for them to suddenly appear with anth useful after that i would suggest...

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well spam my ph call didnt cast much light but she thinks we will be using the hour to sort out if he deems disclosure necessary or not if so we ll fight on if not he ll make a decision....

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WHEN u win it will be them payin twice spam...;)

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not sure if thats a ph number left on there spam?

looks like an appl form to me too spam even tho it does have credit agreement at the top and as IGNM has espoused before in skeleton arguments under the contra proferentum rule any ambiguity should fall against the party that seeks to rely on it....

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I have decided to take the bull by the horns and send this letter with a copy of what they sent me and see what they reply with....

 

As per usual all input welcomed. ;)

 

Dear Sir/ Madam,

 

I am writing with reference to your letter dated 15.6.09 and its enclosure.

It states that there is a copy of your ‘Statement of account’ enclosed but clearly (as you can see) that is not the case.

 

(I am wondering if) As the document in question contains reference to The Consumer Credit Act, I shall take the enclosure, a copy of which I have attached to avoid any doubt, as in fact your response to my five requests for a copy of the agreement pertaining to this case on which you will rely in court.

 

(I would be grateful if you can clarify this point by)I shall deem this as fact and amend my records accordingly, unless I receive alternative confirmation in writing. ( so I may update my records.)

 

Yours Faithfully

 

Spam. :)

 

just trying to pin em down a bit spam. dont know if u agree?

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mmm im not sure wot these judges are thinking? havent got the same one have we? lol...

trub is if we keep harping on abt discolsure this n that we risk getting under his wig and i think things are delicately balanced enuff without that...so i for one am just gonna go with the flow n make objections at the time if i feel its not going my way.

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hi spam,

sure uve seen some of this b4 but 42man has just put this up here may help galvanise the prescribed term issue:

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/legal-issues/199150-sb100-hfc-default-compliant-4.html#post2251137

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spam i posted smth on robcags thread as u seem to be picking stuff up from there. may be of use

cheers r&b

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R&B,

 

Thanks for your input too.. I have picked it up and it looks as though it could be very useful. ;)

 

I hope there's been some helpful stuff there that you have been able to use for yourself too.

 

Thanks again, Spam :)

 

quite apart from the factual input spam, your enthusiasm has been the 'helpful stuff' u mention. i keep trying to rep u but it wont allow me. i shall have to start dishing it a bit more freely til i can do so :wink:

 

we ll get there in the end....

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hhmm looks like this a make or break hearing spam....how long has been allocated, cos this may take a while if ALL is to be put forward and considered properly?

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Hi R&B,

 

Not one of my applications has had a time allocated to it... all I ever get is a covering letter saying 'It'll be dealt with at the hearing on 19th August at 2pm.... nothing else.

 

Perhaps they're giving me the whole afternoon... I now have, withdraw admission application, set aside application, and disclosure application all at the same hearing... hope the DJ doesn't have a liquid lunch before hand..:eek:...or do I? :rolleyes:

 

Spam.:)

 

lol...well he ll just be playing catch-up with u then:razz:.....

in all seriousness tho id be tempted to phone the court and see wots allocated. anything less than 2 hours and id say u dont think this is long enough to give u a decent hearing given the amount to get thru.

from my experience (last hearing) just the point of the CA took over 1 1/2hrs, mixed in with the procedural issues took another hour and we didnt even touch on the disclosure. depends on the DJ tho i guess.

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