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    • If I have learnt one thing from this forum, it's not to call and communicate via email. I passed this info on to her and they are pushing for her to call them.    "Unfortunately, you will need to call us. The conversation won’t be so black and white as to therefore type over email. In a nutshell we can confirm that the request to not pay for 3 months we cannot put in place"  I emailed them back on her behalf and said that what ever is discussed over the phone will need to be put in an email so that she can review it properly. No decisions will be made on that phone call.    "Once we speak to you on the phone we will follow up with an email to confirm the options discussed. [Phone number]"   Why are they pushing for a phone call? If its not so black and white, why can they then follow up with an email?  
    • Appreciate input Andy, updated: IN THE ******** County Court Claim No. [***] BETWEEN: LC Asset 2 S.A.R.L CLAIMANT AND [***] DEFENDANT ************ _________________________ ________ WITNESS STATEMENT OF [***] _________________________ ________ I, [***], being the Defendant in this case will state as follows;     I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in this claim.   1. I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much-reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already written off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimant’s witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights. This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information). The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 2. The Claim relates to an alleged Credit Card agreement between the Defendant and Bank of Scotland plc. Save insofar of any admittance it is accepted that the Defendant has had contractual agreements with Bank of Scotland plc in the past, the Defendant is unaware as to what alleged debt the Claimant refers. The Defendant has not entered any contract with the Claimant. 3. The Defendant requested a copy of the CCA on the 24/12/2022 along with the standard fee of £1.00 postal order, to which the defendant received a reply from the Claimant dated 06/02/2023. To this date, the Claimant has failed to disclose a valid agreement and proof as per their claim that this is enforceable, that Default Notice and Notice of Assignment were sent to and received by the Defendant, on which their claim relies. The Claimant is put to strict proof to verify and confirm that the exhibit *** is a true copy of the agreement and are the true Terms and Conditions as issued at the time of inception of the online application and execution of the agreement. 4. Point 3 is noted. The Claimant pleads that a default notice has been served upon the defendant as evidenced by Exhibit [***]. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 5. Point 6 is noted and disputed. The Defendant cannot recall ever having received the notice of assignment as evidenced in the exhibit marked ***. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 6. Point 11 is noted and disputed. See 3. 7. Point 12 is noted, the Defendant doesn’t recall receiving contact where documentation is provided as per the Claimants obligations under CCA. In addition, the Claimant pleads letters were sent on dates given, yet those are not the letters evidenced in their exhibits *** 8. Point 13 is noted and denied. Claimant is put to strict proof to prove allegations. 9. The Claimant did not provide a true copy of the CCA in response to the Defendants request of 21/12/2022. The Claimant further claims that the documents are sufficient to pursue a Judgement and are therefore copies of original documents in their possession. Conclusion 10. Without the Claimant providing a valid true copy of the executed Credit agreement that complies with the CCA, the Claimant has no grounds on which to enforce this alleged debt. 11. The Claimant has been unjustly enriched at the expense of the Defendant by purchasing bulk debt at a greatly reduced cost and subrogating for the original creditor in trying to recuperate the full amount of the original debt 12. The Defendant was not given ample evidence to prove the debt and therefore was not required to enter settlement negotiations. Should the debt be proved in the future, the Defendant is willing to enter such negotiations with the Claimant. On receipt of this claim I could not recall the precise details of the agreement or any debt and sought clarity from the claimant by way of a Section 78 request. The Claimant failed to comply. I can only assume as this was due to the Claimant not having any enforceable documentation and issuing a claim in hope of an undefended default judgment.   Statement of Truth I, ********, the Defendant, believe the facts stated within this Witness Statement to be true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in it’s truth. Signed: _________________________ _______ Dated: _____________________
    • Morning,  I am hoping someone can help, I am posting on behalf of my friend so I will try and provide as much info as possible.  Due health reasons, she is currently not working and unable to pay her contractual car finance payments. She emailed 247 Money and asked for a 3 month payment holiday, they refused this straight away with no reasons as to why. They have told her that instead she can make a payment of £200. She is currently getting £400+ a month ssp so this is not acceptable. She went back to them and explained she cannot make this payment and they have not offered an alternative plan. Its £200 or she falls into default.  She is now panicking as she does not want her car to be taken away. What options does she have?  Thank you, 
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      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

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In addition to foolishgirls advice, are there any online transactions shown on the statements? If there are, can you try getting in touch with those companies, explaining the situation and asking them to confirm the address of the cardholder, and any 'send to' address' that may have been used?

 

If these don't tally with your details, it's another detail that could help prove what you're saying to RBS.

 

I think the change of address is another potentially big issue for them; after all, it's a bit of a stretch for them to say you were still using the card at your old address years after you moved (you did say 3 years in your earlier posts didn't you, or was that another thread - I've read so many today I'm getting a bit post blind:))

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Hi again

 

I don't suppose there's any chance that 6 years passed inbetween your payment of the balance and you contacting them?

 

I know you've said it was January, but it wasn't perhaps January 1st 2003 and you contacted them January 2nd this year?

 

Also, regarding the non-compliance of the SAR - this may be of interest to you How to satisfy subject access requests | OUT-LAW.COM as it just confirms they can not ignore this request. My favourite bit is where they say it can be very costly to comply with one - we can but hope:p

 

I still think if this does go to court you'd have a pretty good defence in the fact you were not there any more. Even if you'd had a re-direct on your post in place, you can only do this for a maximum of 2 years, so you've been away well over this time. It may be worth pointing this out to them again?

 

Keep your chin up, and don't let the barstewards grind you down:)

 

Lexis:)

 

ps - just to make everyone feel a bit better, RBS' share price has fallen to a dismal 12 1/2p, dropping by 97% in the last year. I'm guessing we're not making those poor shareholders very happy by making the bank prove they have a right to take money from us Caggers:D

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If you fancy a bit of writing I'd fire off a little letter...

 

Dear muppets

 

Please explain how you intend to send bailiffs to my home when this is only possible if I default on a CCJ order set by a court?

 

Now sod off.

 

Love mejules x

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Just to add my two-penneth; when you write your complaint make very sure you state the ONLY reason any money was paid (assuming it shows it was paid from you and you have to justify it) was due to the use of threatening letters that scared you into paying.

 

At no point make any intimation that you thought - even briefly - that the debt was yours.

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I think foolishgirl's letter is excellent mejules - I've just added another line to further stamp into them that this was not your debt!

 

IMO, just a little too much in respect of breaches of the CCA when really I think you should be pursuing the fact that they have failed to act in the appropriate manner to investigate your allegations of misuse/fraudulent activity on your card.

 

I've put my suggestions below, feel free to amend as you think fit

Originally Posted by mejules7 viewpost.gif

Dear Miss Rose,

 

Account Number: xxxxxxx

 

Thank you for your letter dated 09.03.09, however I find it difficult to believe that you have mislaid such an important document as the copy of the credit agreement particularly if you regard this account as still being active.

 

It would appear that not only have have you failed to investigate properly & thoroughly my reports to you of misuse & fraudulent activity on this card, but have now compounded that failure by not complying with the various anti money laundering regulations in not keeping such documents. These, as I’m sure you are aware, are very serious offences.

 

I now require the balance of this account to be returned to zero & the account terminated immediately in accordance with my instruction to you of xxxxxx. I also insist that you give immediate priority to investigating the fraudulent activity that you have previously been informed of on more than one occasion.

Please note you may also consider this letter a statutory notice under Section 10 of the Data Protection Act to cease processing any data in relation to this account with immediate effect. This means you must remove all information regarding this account from your own internal records and from my records with any credit reference agencies. Should you refuse to comply, you must within 14 days provide me with a detailed breakdown of your reasoning behind continuing to process my data. It is not sufficient to simply state that you have a ‘legal right’, you must outline your reasoning in this matter and state upon which legislation this reasoning depends.

 

I would ask that you review this account as a matter of urgency and respond favourably within 14 days of the date of this letter. Failure to do so will result in me reporting this matter to The Financial Crime Branch of HM Treasury and any other authorities as I see fit.

 

I look forward to your reply in due course.

 

Yours faithfully

You don't need all the blurb about the account being in dispute & not pursuing enforcement as they have stated they are not going to enforce.

 

Can you just outline what you included in the letter you think they are responding to? Weren't there date issues with the card being used when you have moved several years previously? Did you manage to write and put this point accross to them?

 

It just makes it much easier to see if any more needs to be added to the letter above if you have an idea of what was said initially:)

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