Locked in car park

[foolishgirl]

Gosh, I wish I could get to Plymouth for the hearing. :-|

 

I think a lot of CAGers feel the same! Maybe we should make up a charra?

[foolishgirl]

Has something upset our guests because they're departing in droves:confused:?

 

Rats & sinking ships come to mind

 

Well done eager eyes TLD, well done Patma for persistence, well done Fred for staying the course in hte midst of monting psychological pressures.

 

Now on with the war...

Edited August 27, 2009 by foolishgirl
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[foolishgirl]

 

I do hope this attracts huge publicity when the legal bit is done and dusted so others know they can fight back.

 

I'm sure certain sunday papers will be very interested!

[foolishgirl]

Well you have managed to do it it only took one day . Google in Lyons Davidson now & it is top of the list(

 

I think maybe you got confused emzy. It's the CAG link (through googling in Lyons Davidson & Plymouth College of Art) that needs to be top of the list so that other students who may have/had/ problems with claims instigated by Lyons Davidson or Plymouth College of Art will find this forum easily.

 

Sorry, don't think we're there yet - keep hitting those magic words!

[foolishgirl]

Are you opening a book on this AT - think you could be paying out quite a bit on the bets

[foolishgirl]

My initial thoughts would be to start with queries re. the list of Standing Suppliers

 

'Where standing supply arrangements exist the Budget Holder should use

SUPC or CPC websites to determine the most appropriate supplier. The

method is set out in Appendix 1'

 

You have established that repairs & maintenance have been necessary with the car park barriers over a considerable period (i.e. it was routine) so if there was no standing supplier for such, why had the Finance Director not made appropriate arrangements prior to this incidence to ensure a supplier was appointed to the lists? i.e. why wasn't he doing his job as in:

 

C Principle - The Director of Finance is responsible for developing appropriate standing supply arrangements on behalf of the College

[foolishgirl]

Universal Security may presumably have been appointed by the finance director to supply and maintain their barriers and if so I guess there should be a contract between them which should be on file.

 

I don't think I would expect to see a contract unless the supplier was responsible for routine maintenance & the council or the college maintained an account with him so that invoices could be submitted on a regular basis. I can only speak with knowledge of how consultants are appointed to 'approved' lists or panels with authorities, where usually the consultant applies to the authority to join the list & has to provide references etc., sometimes an interview takes place & then the consultant is told whether he has been accepted onto the panel from which he could be chosen by various depts. to carry out work for the authority. Sometimes authorities/organisations advertise for businesses to apply for consideration for the panel. But I would hae thought that there must be a paper trail somewhere of any application made, refused or granted. Maybe another FOI request would hustle it out?

[foolishgirl]

 

Patma - hope you are doing OK with it....for my curiousity (I dont have time to read 106 pages unfortunately!) can you sum up what has happened since page 2???

 

You REALLY, REALLY REALLY need to read it :grin:

 

 

 

You really should set the time aside Mr. Shed. To ask for a summary on this one is like coming in at half an hour from the end of a film epic & asking what happened!

[foolishgirl]

they've included all except one in their court bundle and the one they've left out says that the incident happened in working time.

Now that's interesting because they've gone to great lengths, including making false statements under a statement of truth, to make it appear that the incident happened outside working time.

I'm not really clear why a person in an important position in the college would make false witness statements about this. Any ideas anyone?

 

Could it be because the barrier wasn't 'manned' (or at least no security guard was on the premises) to raise it at Fred's request? If it was working time, that would be the college being negligent, if outside working hours, presumably you park at your own risk?

[foolishgirl]

2 and a half hours later and...done!

 

All I can say is

 

 

Congratulations Mr Shed! Wasn't that worth burning the midnight oil? It's better than any John Grisham ain't it? - you couldn't make it up!

[foolishgirl]

Patma - don't go public too early. The judicial system (& the police) may not prove too co-operative if you blast it all over the press at this stage. Plus if you wait for the whole story, Fred might be able to make a bob or two for his version

 

I may be able to source contacts, will check & PM you.

[foolishgirl]

 

Lyons Davidson have gone very quiet and haven't responded to our last two letters, reminding them amongst other things that they still haven't properly complied with the judge's disclosure order of 3rd July.

 

Hmm...discontinuance coming? Maybe the penny's dropped?

 

Media issue is still simmering patma.

[foolishgirl]

I am on holiday the day before this is all due to come to court so I am going to have to log in while I am away to find out what happens!!

 

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Set the DVD recorder!

[foolishgirl]

Fred allegedly received a Simple Caution, but the conditions were certainly not complied with by the police.

 

 

Hmm- is this why the police are dragging their feet over the info. you are currently awaiting I wonder.

[foolishgirl]

Again I quote Lord Woolf:-

"They have to stand by their statements of truth signed by them, they sent them to the court, if they have lied, then the rest is a lie." Lord Woolf

 

I really want to find the source of this quote if anyone has any ideas where I might track it down.

 

What a apt one patma - for all sorts of occasions! I'll file it for future ref. but I'm afraid I don't know the source. Have you thought of writing to him to ask? I'm sure he'd be very flattered to discover you'd remembered it.

[foolishgirl]

I'm a about an hour away from Plymouth would you like a tutorial in advocacy

 

Gosh, there's an offer you can't refuse Patma!

 

Wish I lived near Plymouth JC

[foolishgirl]

 

It was exactly one year today that Patma wrote....

 

 

Can't believe it! Congratulations to Fred & Patma for keeping the faith & good luck for the hearing.

[foolishgirl]

...The defendant's application relating to striking out and the police caution to be listed on the first open date, after 6 weeks, namely on 9th February 2010 at 11am.

So there we are, another delay.

 

Ah well, enjoy Christmas...

[foolishgirl]

Is that allowed? For a company to go bust and then reform using pretty much the same name?*

 

Yup! AIUI they went into voluntary liquidation not b/k although IMO Hell, Fire & Damnation might have been a more fitting title.

[foolishgirl]

They've taken over the same phone number. Does that count?

 

Only if they've 'taken over' the actual phone system I think but in any case, they would probably claim they had paid the old company/liquidators for the stock (probably 1p!! )

 

We'll go along and investigate whether they're in the same premises hopefully tomorrow.

Same thing applies & the premises could well be rented.

FG

[foolishgirl]

Remember not so long ago, LD wrote to Fred complaining because he'd written directly to the Principal of Plymouth College of Art?

 

Well the latest letter from them has done a U turn and they're urging him to contact the College directly for the information he wants

 

Hmm..have the college finally woken up & given LD the push??

[foolishgirl]

Awww, what did I miss?

 

A car wash advert lol

 

Thanks scuzzie, I was with Bookworm - somewhere else!

 

Oh, and I keep OH to wash mine.

[foolishgirl]

Happy Christmas to you & Fred too, Patma.

 

May 2010 bring all you wish for.

[foolishgirl]

 

I'm just going to put the kettle on

 

Tea? Is that all you could find?

 

Well done Patma.

[foolishgirl]

then they have a fortnight in which to file a reply and defence.

 

Now that will be truly interesting!!