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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

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I haven't run a thread on this for various reasons but have been working at the bank for a few weeks. Sent Prelim letter from Templates. Never got to LBA because I didn't want the account closed. Just talked and waited. Played the gently gently role and used all the material learned from reading through the threads. It shows you can negotiate if you try, although it doesn't seem to be going that way with personal and credit card DCA accounts. BUT....

 

 

hey presto IT WORKED ! Success, all charges over 2 years being refunded !!!

 

 

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Andrew - Are you the only co-op business success so far..? Been looking- must be a niche market..

 

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Hi Charlie, I'm not sure actually, I managed to talk my way through it without too much hassle. If you are having trouble let me know and I'll tell you how I did mine.. I have a very busy week this week as I have a high court case on Friday to prepare for so won't be posting much on the forum..just reading, but after that I'll be back in my usual talkative way! I'll do what I can to help.

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Andrew - Good luck for friday !

 

I think I am OK: standard prelim template in, business LBA prepared for wednesday, will adjust POC omitting phrase Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations (1999). 8 % calculated (at £325) in case things go further..

 

Ta

 

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Charlie, why don't you just ring them up and speak to a business advisor, if the account is still operating tell them that you want to keep the goodwill going and you really don't want to cause unnecessary friction between you as you are very happy with coop bank etc. Don't speak to just any ole customer services person. Ask to speak to your/a business manager. I know for a fact they are settling rather than going the legal route and I really suggest you try just talking to them first. Know the figures before you call and don't forget to mention you are following the Consumer Action Group campaign and know all the procedures but would rather give them the opportunity to put it right, without admitting any liability blah blah. I believe you'll get success.

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Sorry Andrew - know you are busy.. Thing is I borrowed money to close this account down a year ago cause i was hemorrhaging money. I'm sure they are half decent -but after whacking me when I was down I'm not feeling very sympathetic.. Thanx C

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All I can say is that in any negotiation you have to take the emotion out of the equation and deal with fact only. Fact is, these charges are unlawful and they know it. They do not want the publicity and to be honest what have you got to lose by calling them - if they say no you'll sue them anyway if they say yes you're saving them and you alot of time and money. I'd still suggest asking them. Also, if these are made up of a lot of charges and you have had to borrow to clear the debt, it wouldn't go amiss to tell them you'll be seeking compensation against the cost of borrowing the money to pay them back. Now, you might like to do that anyway - but will you?

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My approach to this has been quite business-like, no axe to grind, just want the money back. I will give them a call- see what happens. I like the idea of charging interest on money borrowed to close the account. I borrowed £1,240 in December 05 to close the account which is less than my £1,345 claim, so this seems reasonable. Problem is I borrowed the money personally so don't have an official interest rate to quote. Obviously I would need to sort this before my phone conversation/ LBA

 

Thanx a lot for your help- sorry for the bad timing re your prep. I might just hold off for a bit..

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:D know what you mean, my wife is a self-declared CAG widow :eek: .. So.. what interest rate could I possibly (& justifiably) ask ? re: interest on borrowing money personally to close the account a year ago - (i.e. @ 8% it wld be £98.45/ 15.9% ..around £....dunno bout double that) Seems a bit arbitrary.

 

They did ask for more time to get back to me (beyond 14 day pre-lim deadline) so I might grant them that & have a chat saying I would prefer not go ahead with my LBA & would really like them to cover the XX[?]% interest on funds borrowed to close the a/c. etc

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If you haven't got the money from a bank and just borrowed from a.n.other, then 8% is as reasonable as you can be. You can't claim compensation for something you haven't lost - Remember, thats what CAG are fighting against the banks for doing in their excess charges so I think if I recommended you going for more then a mod or two might be after me ! But, if you haven't had to pay interest you can hardly say it's a loss can you? No doubt it'll be costing you something over the loaned amount even if it's a few beers so see what you can get. I'd thinkup a reasonable arbitary amount then double it and ask for that - then settle for half! :D

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so I might ask for around 15.9% - (or whatever they normally charge -will check their figures) & settle for 8%, if anything. will speak to them thur/fri - see how it goes.. thanks - I like this..

 

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