Oh and keep ALL letters they shove through the letterbox

save yourself some hassle and move cars away from house.. They can only levy on goods if you let them in your home or leave something of value outside.. NEVER LET them in and refuse to talk to them. You can get full figures from council on what you owe for the liability order. Start to make payments to council using there online payment system DO NOT PAY to bailiff's.. Just keep doors and windows locked and ignore the knocks.. Once they levy on something they will just keep adding costs..I doubt very much they will come at said time if tomorrow at all but if they do turn over and go back to sleep ! Eggy12

Did the council take you to court and get a liability order for unpaid council tax ?

Indeed... What irate's me about the letter is the part where they mention that after 1st visit i paid but they then go on to say because the bailiff had "no response" to first visit he was therefore entitled to to proceed with second visit and charge an extra £18... NOW hold on a minute, my response was to pay liability order..! Its not my fault that you did not let bailiff no liability had been paid(I thought he would "as an employee of rossendales", have access to the account) ! SO instead of visiting me again in November demanding £42.50 they should have asked for charges of £24.50 END OFF STORY. "In Theory" = There view "In reality" = there full of crap CHARGES leading up to payment mean court costs.. NOTHING else !

Im no expert on this by any means but is there a way, if you have been fined that amount to get a re determination or something along those lines, you did not respond so they hit you hard, at least that way you get or could get a easier less demanding way to pay . Im sure someone with more experience than me will offer better advice... Just hang on Best wishes eggy12

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OK first lets go through the facts 1. Council take me to court over unpaid C/Tax and gain Liability Order 2.Account gets passed to Doublecrossendales 3. Doublecrossendales come to my home incurring a 1st visit fee of £24.50.(Oct 20 2009) 4.3 days later I make online payment to Council for the FULL Liability Order(23 Oct 2009) 5. Doublecrossendales then return to my home 3 days after I pay Liability Order and charge an extra £18(26th Oct 2009) 6.I ignore them. 7.They come chasing me for £42.50 8. I ignore them 9.Feb 17th 2010 Attendance fee/Van £110 10.Feb 17th 2010 Levy Fee £24.50 11. Paid online at doublecrossendales web site £42.50 JUST to be on the safe side 12.10th March 2010 Back dated Levy letter posted through my letterbox 13. Requested brerakdown of charges and SAR(still wont give me) below Summary Date Type Amount Amount outstanding Sep 8 2009 Debt 870.71 0.00 Oct 20 2009 Visit 1 24.50 0.00 Oct 26 2009 Visit 2 18.00 0.00 Feb 17 2010 Attendance/Van 110.00 110.00 Feb 17 2010 levy fee 24.50 24.50 Feb 21 2010 Payment byD/C 0.80 0.00 Payments Oct 23 2009 870.71 Feb 21 2010 43.30 14. I am now (with the excellent help From HW not forgetting PT,Jimbo and all others) fully loaded with the law regarding this..! Letter sent to doublecrossendales Email sent Your ref....XXXXXXX My Ref.... GO>J.U.M.P/A.S.A.P 09/10 With regard your latest letter dated xxx September 2010. I am still awaiting my refund of £18 that was paid under stress to you company. I have also asked for screen shots of alleged visits that you are not willing to send. Until I am able to see this alleged information I am unable to make a decision on what coarse of action to take. For your information I have added some relevant information from the The Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement) Regulations 1992. 2.- (1) In head B of the Table to paragraph 1, "the relevant amount" with respect to a levy means;- (a) where the sum due at the time of the levy does not exceed £100, £24.50; (b) where the sum due at the time of the levy exceeds £100, 24.5% on the first £100 of the sum due, 4% on the next £400, 2.5% on the next £1,500, 1% on the next £8,000 and 0.25% on any additional sum; Take note the following: and the sum due at any time for these purposes means so much of the amount in respect of which the liability order concerned was made as is outstanding at the time. Your Company visited my home according to the Breakdown of charges you kindly sent me on Oct 20th and charged me a Visit 1 fee £24.50, Oct 23rd the liability was paid in FULL. THAT is all you are entitled to. Anything after that is null and void with regard your recovery. I paid an extra £18 PLUS a card charge of 80p, I require this money refunded to me within 7 days with an apology for direct harassment that you have unlawfully caused myself, with an offer of compensation for excessive hours spent researching my rights along with all due stress you have caused me having to take over 6 days off work. I also ask for BOTH bailiff name's and what courts they were certified at along with a copy of the National Standards for Enforcement Agents that you should have and be aware of. If this is not resolved to my satisfaction I will issue a claim in the county court for return of the £18 you owe me plus costs and will name XXXXX Borough Council as Co-defendants. Regards Eggy12 I have already picked this to bits.. You will have SOOOoo much fun with this letter so without further a due "THE REPLY" .......... ......... ....... Thats the biggest load of ollocks ive heard since i last spoke to my ex hahaha

Ok just had a letter from them trying to worm there way out of things.. I think they no they would not stand a chance in hell at a court.. will copy and post for your pleasure eggy12

Well at least they bothered to reply this time Dear Mr Eggy12, Thank you for your email. I can confirm your complaint is under investigation and we will issue a response shortly. Yours Sincerely

can you not withdraw cash from post office and pay it into a trusted family/friends account who does have a card then log on to your local council website and pay it from there, all you will need is the council tax reference number !! Eggy12

Thanks Jimbo.. The frustrating thing is i paid the liability order after 1st visit, i owed them £24.50 only end of story.. What im planning is to take Ross to small claims court where all this can be sorted and brought to light once and for all, the reason im after phone recordings from council is because there backing the parasites from Ross saying there right in the charges they have added. Not once did i let them into my home, they levied on my broken down car that was in the drive 5 months after i paid liability order in full ! Love your rants lol Eggy12

I can add in the SAR that information they hold and anyone concerned with my account that should cover Rossendales and Council.. Two birds with one stone if you like

Thanks for replying.. In my case they turned up and charged me 1 visit fee.. Fair cop, I then paid the liability in full. they came a second time and third blah blah blah. i rang council to complain and was told they are allowed to charge me what they did £177 altogether ! I was also told the levy was lawful even though the liability had been paid and they can charge van fee and levy on same day !!! http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?247917 Eggy12

Cannot believe I forgot to date it.... Redone XXX BOROUGH COUNCIL DATED THIS DAY 12th September 2010 Address Account No: xxxxxxxx Subject Access Request - S.7 Data Protection Act 1998 Please supply me with a copy of all information your company hold on me including a list of accounts details of payments along with copies of statements and any phone conversations held between myself and xxxxx Borough Council regarding my account with the main focus being communications with Rossendales Ltd a bailiff company under your instruction regarding recovery action for unpaid Council Tax/bailiff fees/Liability Orders. I require this in script AND voice recorded copy in what ever .file you use to record messages. This (link to download recorded messages) can be sent to me via my email address supplied below or sent to myself on disc at the above address. Under the Data Protection Act 1984 and 1998, and including the right of subject access under these acts, I hereby request that you supply me with any and all historical data in your possession which relates to me and am entitled to under section 7(1) of the Act. If you store any of the older records on microfiche, please be aware that the Information Commissioner deems this to be a relevant filing system under the Act. As such, any microfiche data must be sent to me in fully legible and comprehensible form. Additionally, where there has been any event in my account history over this period which has required manual intervention by any member of your staff, or any other person, I require disclosure of any indication or notes which have either caused or resulted in that manual intervention, or other evidence of that manual intervention in relation to my business with you. If you are unable to supply this data because there has been no such manual intervention, then please be so kind as to confirm this in your response. I enclose the statutory maximum fee of £10. You have 40 days in which to comply. Furthermore, if I discover that you have levied disproportionate penalties against me or collected monies to which you were not entitled, then I shall be reclaiming them and also the enclosed £10 Data Protection Act subject access request fee. Yours faithfully Eggy12 For correspondence via email, replies to this request should be sent to Eggy12@Caggers are on to you.com

I need this info from when I rang council and they told me it was ok for rossendales to issue van visit fee and levy on the same day !

XXX Borough Council Dear Sirs, Account No: XXXXXXXXX Subject Access Request - S.7 Data Protection Act 1998 Please supply me with a copy of all information your company hold on me including a list of accounts details of payments along with copies of statements and any phone conversations held between myself and XXX Borough Council regarding my account with the main focus being communications with Rossendales Ltd a bailiff company under your instruction regarding recovery action for unpaid Council Tax/bailiff fees/Liability Orders. I require this in script AND voice recorded copy in what ever .file you use to record messages. This (link to download recorded messages) can be sent to me via my email address supplied below or sent to myself on disc at the above address. Under the Data Protection Act 1984 and 1998, and including the right of subject access under these acts, I hereby request that you supply me with any and all historical data in your possession which relates to me and am entitled to under section 7(1) of the Act. If you store any of the older records on microfiche, please be aware that the Information Commissioner deems this to be a relevant filing system under the Act. As such, any microfiche data must be sent to me in fully legible and comprehensible form. Additionally, where there has been any event in my account history over this period which has required manual intervention by any member of your staff, or any other person, I require disclosure of any indication or notes which have either caused or resulted in that manual intervention, or other evidence of that manual intervention in relation to my business with you. If you are unable to supply this data because there has been no such manual intervention, then please be so kind as to confirm this in your response. I enclose the statutory maximum fee of £10. You have 40 days in which to comply. Furthermore, if I discover that you have levied disproportionate penalties against me or collected monies to which you were not entitled, then I shall be reclaiming them and also the enclosed £10 Data Protection Act subject access request fee. Yours faithfully Eggy12 For correspondence via email, replies to this request should be sent to Eggy12@Caggers are on to you.com Also asking for FOI on the subject of councils getting a percentage of money earned from bailiff's fee's but thats a different matter Eggy12

They dont let us rest so nor should we them

Is it also worth mentioning to said MP what one of the excellent caggers on here said after a few freedom of information requests about how councils get a percentage of money bailiff company's collect get back ? Just a thought Eggy 12

Email sent Your ref....XXXXXXX My Ref.... GO>J.U.M.P/A.S.A.P 09/10 With regard your latest letter dated xxx September 2010. I am still awaiting my refund of £18 that was paid under stress to you company. I have also asked for screen shots of alleged visits that you are not willing to send. Until I am able to see this alleged information I am unable to make a decision on what coarse of action to take. For your information I have added some relevant information from the The Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement) Regulations 1992. 2.- (1) In head B of the Table to paragraph 1, "the relevant amount" with respect to a levy means;- (a) where the sum due at the time of the levy does not exceed £100, £24.50; (b) where the sum due at the time of the levy exceeds £100, 24.5% on the first £100 of the sum due, 4% on the next £400, 2.5% on the next £1,500, 1% on the next £8,000 and 0.25% on any additional sum; Take note the following: and the sum due at any time for these purposes means so much of the amount in respect of which the liability order concerned was made as is outstanding at the time. Your Company visited my home according to the breakdown of charges you kindly sent me on Oct 20th and charged me a Visit 1 fee £24.50, Oct 23rd the liability was paid in FULL. THAT is all you are entitled to. Anything after that is null and void with regard your recovery. I paid an extra £18 PLUS a card charge of 80p, I require this money refunded to me within 7 days with an apology for direct harassment that you have unlawfully caused myself, with an offer of compensation for excessive hours spent researching my rights along with all due stress you have caused me having to take over 6 days off work. I also ask for BOTH bailiff name's and what courts they were certified at along with a copy of the National Standards for Enforcement Agents that you should have and be aware of. If this is not resolved to my satisfaction I will issue a claim in the County Court for return of the £18 you owe me plus costs and will name XXXXX Borough Council as Co-defendants. Regards Eggy12

Have you had any letters from them telling you they are collecting ? I think the best thing to do is post up as much information leading up to this as you can and NEVER let a bailiff into your home. If you do have the means to pay the outstanding council tax then pay it online using your councils own website and NOT to the bailiffs.

Did you have the blue badge showing in the car window ? Vehicles: Non essential vehicles can be taken, if the car is registered as disabled or it is used in conjunction with a valid blue badge or the car is a lease hire through the mobility scheme they CANNOT be taken. If the car is on hire purchase again the car CANNOT be taken. If the car is used for a business purpose it CANNOT be taken.

Bailiff code of practice The bailiff should at all times use his professional judgement to refer back to the Council if he considers that, due to the personal circumstances of the debtor, it would be inappropriate to proceed to levy distress. In particular, cases such as: appears to be over 70 years of age and it appears may be easily confused appears to be severely physically or mentally ill, severely disabled or suffering mental confusion has young children and severe social deprivation is evident is disputing liability or claims to have paid, applied for rebate, discount or any other relief not yet granted, recommend, levy distress and then report to the Council is heavily pregnant is in mourning due to recent bereavement (within three months) is having difficulty communicating due to profound deafness, blindness or language difficulties is unemployed and provides proof that they are in receipt of Income Support or Job Seekers Allowance (Income Based), payments from the Department of Works and Pension (DWP) and details are obtained of the debtors National Insurance number is consulting his or her local councillor or Member of Parliament long term sickness or serious illness including the terminally ill