PCN code 62 - parked with four wheels on pavement

[sailor sam]

I have noted for some considerable time that you appear take the greatest perverse pleasure in your confrontational posting style where opinions may not be in accord with your own.

 

I sincerely hope that your gratuitous juvenile remark was not directed at me.

 

I'm not the only one then!

 

To the OP; according to the booklet in your link it sates that there are two signs, one showing the start of the exemption and the other showing the end. I'm assuming you were parked between the signs and not 'outside' them?

 

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[sailor sam]

yes

the sign he refered too only allowed two wheels on the footway.

look at the link in OP's post

 

 

dk

 

dk

 

I can't see any where it states that. If you are referring to the actual sign dipicting the 'car' with 2 wheels on the footpath then I think you will find that is for the benifit of emphasizing a car being parked on a footpath and not necessarily meaning you can only have 2 wheels on it. If you were correct, then the contravention would not be "Parked with one or more wheels parked on or over a footpath or any part of a road other than a carriageway" would it because you can park with 1 or more wheels on the footpath providing you are within the area of the exeption and not causing an obstruction.

 

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[sailor sam]

you cannot contravene a sign. Signs merely indicate.

 

Ooo, I think you've left yourself wide open with that statement Lamma!

 

It would depend on the type of sign whether it can be contavened or not. In this case, the sign merely indicates the start and end of the exemption if thats what you mean. In my opinion, just because it shows an image of a car with 2 wheels on the footpath, it dosn't necessarily mean you cannot park with all foiur wheels on the footpath (according to the booklet the OP posted). I do note that the OP hasn't said whether he was parked in or out of the exemption area indicated by the signs. Also its interesting to note that the booklet was published in 2002 so perhaps there is one more current?

 

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[sailor sam]

Not in the slightest. A contravention if it occurs is a contravention of a lawful Traffic Order. This is an essential truth. Read a few annual reports to catch up. And the same is true for speeding. The signs only indicate, it is the Order that counts. And the booklet carries no weight whatsoever by the way.

 

So what about ''failure to comply with a traffic sign'' an offence under section 36(1) of the Road Traffic Act 1988?

 

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[sailor sam]

Which means that Sailor Sam was correct you can contravene some signs no traffic order is required as you claimed! Do you want a shovel?

 

 

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[sailor sam]

You claimed ALL signs needed a Traffic order, they do not the TSRGD 2003 and the RTA 1988 creates the offence of failing to comply with certain signs without a traffic order. Neither myself or Sailor Sam mentioned parkng he even stated the correct legislation. You can try and pretend you only meant parking (even though thats not correct either due to bus clearways) but you didn't. Stop digging and appologise to Sam.

 

 

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[sailor sam]

Can I make a suggestion here? As DK points out, the OP hasn't made any further contribution to his thread since post #1 and all we seem to have acheived since is a pointless, waste of time, argument. My suggestion is therefore we stop wasting any more time bickering amongst ourselves here as clearly the OP is no longer interested in his 'problem'. I myself will not be wasting anymore time here and I suggest you other guys do the same.

 

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[sailor sam]

I joined CAG initially to seek help - which was freely and cheerfully given. I now use CAG to give help. I think that unfortunately some others use it to score points against less experienced or knowledgeble people.

 

I believe bad news can still be given, a point of disagreement made or incorrect information highlighted etc. without resorting to rudeness or sarcasm, especially to new CAGGERS.

 

I also note that very rarely are the known flaws in PCN's and NTO's mentioned as something to be investigated as these are still not fully compliant in some council areas.

 

People can park illegally deliberately, risking the penalty or they can make a mistake. If the latter, (even the former?) and there is a way to exploit a council's mistakes in wrongly worded paperwork or poor procedure then as far as I am concerned that evens the score and the CAGGER should be given the opportunity by someone with the requisite knowledge to exploit the council's shortcomings and explore this possibility of avoiding paying the penalty.

 

I think I have made my views clear - as have others. I would prefer not to have to make further responses on this. I shall not respond further on this specific issue other than by tipping scales or the triangle as appropriate.

 

I couldn't agree more BD, you've obviously been reading quite a few posts in this section and the obvious has smacked you in the face. I have to say that I think some of the CAGGERS you refer to (and I know who they are), are that enthusiastic on shooting fellow CAGGERS down in flames, they don't even read the threads carefully enough and I can point out one classic example recently about a stolen car being recovered by the police in the motoring section.

 

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[sailor sam]

Please direct me to one simple piece of constructive advice that you have given in this section? We can all post 'good luck' messages to people hoping to get a PCN cancelled but tea and sympathy is not going to help anyone. Please just link to a single post where you have actually provided factual information to assist anyone (that is correct)? All you have done is troll through old threads like some snivelling teachers pet trying to report my posts. Considering some of the posts you have reported are over 6 months old I'm sure if they had offended anyone they would have already been modereated. Did you report Sailor Sams post that told the OP he deserved a PCN......no I thought not! I think you need to buy a dictionary before you acuse me of being a bully and then take a good hard look in the mirror!

 

Yes I did but I also said that it needs testing due to the possible poor/inadequate signage. Strange isn't it that that particular thread has gone quiet and the OP hasn't come back with any news. As for me being 'reported' for saying someone deserves a PCN, well like I said to you before; 'kettle-pot-black' because you have done the same on more than one occasion! If anyone parks knowingly in a place where it is obvious they are not supposed to (school entrance zig-zags, pedestrain crossings ect), then they DO deserve a PCN. We are not here to assist or encourage people to break the law after all, but just to assist those who have made genuine mistakes or where the LA's have screwed up with inadequate signage ect.

 

Now you may want to carry on and argue the toss who's right and who's wrong, but i'm off to bed now as unlike you, I need my beauty sleep.

 

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[sailor sam]

Do I get a gold star then?

 

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