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Thanks for this Scarlet Pimpernel ... but we did conduct a campaign with MPs when the new Bill was being drafted, and despite some strong support (eg Austin Mitchell, whose own daughter had just had a bailiff experience !!!) the government whips managed to slap everybody down and force through their legislation. I agree that contacting MPs may be a good idea at a later stages (as Chief Constables don't like getting negative publicity) but feel that actually finding what Chief Constables actually think / believe is essential BEFORE complaining about them ! Can you enlighten me as to the situation in N Ireland - re no bailiffs?
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Which surely just confirms that ANYTHING we do to make the police / public MORE AWARE of the issues is a benefit to all (except illegal bailiffs) ? btw tomtubby - Which County did this happen in? Perhaps we should use this example at the start of the letter - to show that through ignorrance (and bad advice from a senior officer) 2 police men actually assisted 2 con men (for that is what anyone claiming to be representing a Court who is uncertificated) to commit a crime?
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The Government have been able to "force through" the new law - mainly because most people were totally unaware of the Bill and its implications. When we collate all the information - and show the different standards being used in different Counties - the media could "jump on this" and generate an awful lot of publicity for us? Remember how much publicity healthcare has had from the "postcode" lottery type publicity? Image a story which says (for example) that if you live in Devon your rights will be protected by the police - but if you live in (say) the West Midlands the police will assist an unauthorised person with a break-in at YOUR house ! Can you imagine the impact on the bailiff industry IF they knew that the police WOULD ALWAYS check their status?
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Please read the advice given by Devon and Cornwall police to their officers. We live in ONE Country - with ONE law ... if one Constabulary can take its duty seriously then surely so can they all? If a policeman helps a bailiff who doesn't have legal rights - they he could be assisting with committing a crime - it's as simple as that ! A bailiff who doesn't have a legal right - is no different to a thief or a burglar !
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Hi Lula Not if you follow the core teachings - after all, there were ONLY 10 commandments ! It's when you try and interpret every single statement as the word of God that you get confused. Forgive me if I'm starting to sound like a religious "nut" - I'm not, far from it - just pointing out that core Christian beliefs are (imho) a good thing - and the world would be a better place if we followed them.
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Barracad I (being a mere mortal) am not qualified to answer such detailed questions ... I suggest you consult your religious advisor ! I'm merely pointing out that to be a Christian MEANS following the teachings / examples of Christ (and many of us fail - but am sure we are awarded points as we have tried). Do you think Christ would have been a bailiff (even part-time) ? I doubt it. Remind me again (as you are obviously much better at Biblical quotes than I am) - who was it that Christ threw out of the Temple? Wasn't it the money-lenders (and presumably that would also include ancillary professions such as debt collectors / bailiffs)?
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WASP ??? I take on board what you say (and was largely refering to the people who run bailiff firms rather than individual employees), but stand my ground. The fact that many people (who would claim to be Christian) do not follow entirely a Christian doctrine does not mean that the doctrine itself is wrong ! Let me give another (different) example. Many people believe that it is wrong to inflict cruelty on animals. If an animal has to be slaughtered it should be done in the most humane way possible. Other believe that animals should have their throats cut and be left to bleed to death - clearly a (barbaric?) slow and cruel death. Should we abandon OUR principles in order not to upset those who believe otherwise? Or should we stand our ground and point out that we believe others are doing wrong? *By their deeds, shall ye know them*
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We should start by asking if they have any specific bailiff policy (to see where they initially stand) and point to the Devon & Cornwall police policy document, to show that some forces are taking the matter seriously. We should try and find out how their current policies differ, as when the information is collated it could make a very good press release (for the media) to show the vastly different attitudes in different areas (and any publicity will be good for the cause generally).
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Generally speaking, everyone agrees that bailiff law is out-dated and needs modification. Most of the existing "law" is over 1000 years old and based on Common Law and practise rather than legislation. The Government, however, has made a real dogs breakfast of this by taking away rights which we have had for 1000 years and not exactly coming up with a reasonable regulatory system. See Peter Bard's excellent "sticky" above, http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/bailiffs/61524-baliff-petition-stop-them.html for a detailed story of this legislation. Good Luck.
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Martin I was just pointing out that Christian beliefs differ from others (not saying one is right or the other is wrong). Christians tend to follow a certain doctrine (treat others as you would like to be treated yourself etc) - and their Christian beliefs would certainly influence whether they could carry out any job which inflicted suffering on others.
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