Bgas came....saw...... and went away with all my old timeswich and meter having fitted a new upto date 1 piece unit NSRs now get supply when E7 starts, as they should. here endeth the lesson. amen 22/units overnight at 5p/unit = £1.10 which i can stand...

meant to say "couldnt" alter it

Horstamn confirm the timer is easily 40 years old, and sent me the ops guide! and as i said, the "board" (as in "electric board") who installed it owned it, as Bgas accepted it part+parcel to supply me (as with the E7 meter) they have a duty to ensure it does what it should. ive booked cherie blair (nee booth) to handle the case...

the biggest fact is that the heater starts warming up at 5pm, and shouldnt also - the timer is SEALED, so the landlords contractors couldnt legally alter it (typo - altered to COULDNT)

the heaters come on at about 5.30pm/6pm, about 6 hours early, which tallies with the photo, hardly rocket science, i had just never encountered what was involved, didnt have anything like it on a coal face.... had these --- 1100v and these 550v

it wont be live in the "E7" (off peak) period if the timers wrong will it (its live 5pm onward, not midnight onard) there is 1 timer, in the feed to the NSR panel, after the meter, in the cupboard our NSRs have only an input and output control, and the switched spur for each, no timers as they dont need them, the power for the NSR circuit/board is timed.... Bgas can sort it, if it was EMEB equipment originally then its not the landlords problem

I used the National Energy Foundation website as reference, they use the term "charge" (i know it means "heat up") ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Electric Night Storage Heaters Electric storage heaters are a less expensive way of using electricity to heat homes than fan heaters, oil filled radiators or radiant electric bar heaters, all of which use on-peak electricity. Storage Heaters use electricity supplied at a cheaper night-time rate (although some tariffs also have a mid-afternoon boost) to store heat in special heat-retaining bricks. These then give out heat slowly and are designed to keep warm for the whole of the following day. You can only get cheap night-time electricity if you are on an off-peak tariff such as Economy 7, Economy 10 or Warmwise, and this may involve adding a second electricity meter if you do not already have one (and paying an additional standing charge). You will need to check this with your electricity supplier. Modern, slim-line storage heaters often have a charge control (or an automatic charge control) which adjusts the amount of heat stored overnight. An automatic charge control does this by measuring the temperature in the room (or more rarely, outside the house) and if it is milder, stores less heat (saving money in the process). If the storage heater has a manual charge control, you will have to make this adjustment yourself. Storage heaters give out their heat in two ways: by radiation from the front panel - this cannot be turned up or down, so will give out heat continuously, day and night (as long as there are still warm bricks behind it); by convected heat in the form of warm air. This can be adjusted simply by flaps above the heat store, which can constrict the airflow through the store, so reducing the amount of heat taken from the store. More sophisticated storage heaters also have a fan which can blow air over the storage area to produce a heat boost; however it will also cool the heater down more quickly and if used too much may result in the storage heater getting cold before the evening when it is able to be heated up again. Many people like to take advantage of storage heaters for background heat, but find that in the middle of winter they still need to supplement the heating by a direct electric heater, such as a fan heater. The National Energy Foundation - Energy Advice

In our outside meter cupboard we have an E7 dual reading (well about 4 rate possible, only 2 in use) meter, in the same cupboard is the timer shown in the photo the incoming supply cables go thru the supplier main fuses, into the meter then 1 feed goes into the property and 1 goes thru the timer and then into the property inside the property is a 100amp distribution board for the normal circuits and another just (80amp) for the NSRs (which gets its feed via the outside time) none of anything is mine, outside should be the suppliers equipment, indoors should be my landlords, i certainly aint at fault.....for once

basically the timers WORKING (i.e. switching on/off) but at the wrong times (coming ON 6 hours early, going off 6 hours early) i put the 2 NSR switches on at 9am, they were still cold at 4pm, by 7pm they were hot another indicator, they arent supposed to be a max-release during the night, they are supposed to start charging at E7 start time (midnight), but ours peaked heat wise at 3am, when they shouldnt even be fully charged course it does, if thier supply isnt on they are dead cold, as soon as the timer switches on they warm up and also charge up the timer is set wrong, why/how i dont know, but i bet i find out tomorrow!

its a HORSTMAN type V mark 7 SRS/SEL pre WW1 i think

but the 7 hours of TIMED supply to the NSRs wasnt/hasnt been synched to the E7 hours, so ive had NO proper "E7 rate" units, at 5p/unit just at my 11p/unit rate (apart from whatever i did use between midnight and 7am....which wouldnt be much with the NSRs timed for going OFF supply at midnight) I know the timers wrong or they couldnt possibly have gone from stone cold to red hot between 4pm and 7pm yeseterday would they When bgas agreed to supply me with E7 and took on the meter+timer didnt they automatically accept (without checking said items) that they would work "as required" (i.e. with the E7 meter for the night timed feed to the NSRs)?

my 1st (day rate) is 31p/unit for 140 units, that then goes down to 11p/unit, the E7 rate is 5p/unit (6p/unit cheaper) the meter seems set at 05.30pm now (11am) so its 6 hours early, so the NSRs are charging up at 11p/unit not 5p/unit the timer is mechanical and sealed, so how long has it been ripping users of for i wonder? my 3 2.5kw heaters (7.5kw total) therefore have been costing £2.70 per day too much ......100 days use = the amount they say we now owe! timer has TWO sets of on/off, why?

the meter is "EMEB" so thats old, but is there any onus on a supplier to check the existing equipment when they didnt install it? we went with Bgas, Eon had been supplying in here prior, and i assume the timer was faulty then too

Bgas timer has been supplying us with peak rather than off-peak electricity, we have to find £279 now, should i raise a dispute?

whats 3x2.5kw x 4p/kw x 6 hours a day x 180 days? £320?