thats a cracker. it must be the way you tell them seriously though, if YOU believe it to be a non starter, then so be it for YOU.

i dont THINKi wont have to pay 'vehicle licence duty', i KNOW i wont have to. there are foreigners who have been here in england for years who have driven their cars without ever registering them, who have to pay no vehicle licence duty. the dvla says that after 6 months they MUST register their car with them. in legalese, the word 'must' is equivilant to the word 'may', and there is no obligation to do anything in which you 'must' make application for. every englishman has a lawful right to travel freely on the queen's highways. you have the right to own and use a private conveyance on the roads as long as you are not acting in commerce. a driver is someone who acts in commerce; a vehicle is a conveyance used in commerce; a passenger is someone who pays. anyone acting in commerce has to register their vehicle and pay duty on it and apply for a licence to drive the vehicle. did you claim to be acting in commerce? by making an application for vehicle registration, driver's licence etc, just like i did, you did claim that. hence the reason why i want to unregister because i am not acting in commerce.

only bullets can stop me now ;-)

it's commercial law, merchant law, admiralty law (whatever you want to call it). it applies here just as much as it does in the US, hence why a bank in england would put a box around the signature on there documents. if there was no need for a box, why put it on? there's a need, but im not 100% sure why.

Statute law applies to PERSONS. Statute laws regarding 'motor vehicles' applies to 'motor vehicles'. The questions that you need to know the answers to according to law are: 1. who or what is a PERSON? 2. What is a 'motor vehicle'? if i describe 'cherries' as round red fruits, does that mean all round red fruits are 'cherries'?

what im trying to do is remove their interest from my car without trying to create an estoppel. when you register anything, you hand over what ever it is to another party. this is why if your car is found on the road without licence duty then the dvla can tow it away and scrap it. in reality dvla own your car with your consent.

no, im in good ol' england.

if i return the reg document declaring it scrapped, is there an obligation to actually scrap it or can it be claimed as salvage?

a bank only exists on paper. you can put all the shame you want onto it, but a piece of paper cant be ashamed of itself. the people acting out their roles for the piece of paper should be ashamed of themselves for forcing out fellow human beings out of houses that they POSSESS and have a lawful right to.

if you have sent the person responsible a notice that if you recieve anymore calls or demands for payments it will be considered a breach of TPFH Act, and they havent taken notice and continued, why not just report the person to the police? they are commiting a crime.

it's not a question of morality, it's always a question of liability. when dealing with the banks, you're dealing on behalf of your PERSON which is a corporate entity, with another corporate entity, the BANK. it's nothing but bits of paper. the money used is money of account, which doesnt exist. morality can never come into it because there is nothing Human about it.

does anyone know of a way to unregister a car with the DVLA without claiming to have scraped it?

hi everyone. my first post here after finding this excellent DB. im currently studying the freeman philosophy and commercial law as way to beat fraudulent money lenders. one thing i discovered is this: so anything that is not in the four corners of the document has no effect on it. if a box is put onto the document, a new 'four corners' is created. it follows that anything inside that box has no effect on the language outside of it and vice versa. most CC agreements i have seen contain a signature box. if you sign within the box, you agree to the terms within the box, not on the whole document. if there were no terms in the box where you signed and there is no signature of the bank rep in the box, then there cant be an agreement.