just answering my own question for anybody interested. I have been told it (spml -vs -walker) is going to be a couple of weeks before judgement is handed down

Does anybody have any news on the walker-vs-spml appeal? I gather the appeal decision was being made late Wed morning?

Reported this morning on BBC Court lets woman off £8,000 loan By Ian Pollock Personal finance reporter, BBC News The obligation to repay many consumer loans may be undermined A decision by a county court Judge could mean thousands of borrowers being able to renege on their debts. Judge Jacqueline Smart at South Shields county court has decided that the MBNA credit card company cannot demand the repayment of a customer's debt. It tried to force Lynne Thorius to repay the £8,000 she owed on her card. But the Judge decided there had been an unfair relationship between Ms Thorius and MBNA because of the way she had been sold payment protection insurance. 'Massive ramifications' Ms Thorius' case was pursued on her behalf by a claims management firm Cartel Client Review, based in Manchester, and the law firm Consumer Credit Litigation Solicitors. Carl Wright of Cartel Client Review, claimed the court decision was a landmark judgement. "This will have massive ramifications for consumers up and down the country," he said. But MBNA downplayed the importance of the court decision. "The judgement went against MBNA for a number of reasons," a spokeswoman said. "In principle, because the deputy district judge felt that MBNA had not on this occasion provided the appropriate documents to the customer and as such was not able to rely on the clauses MBNA would ordinarily seek to rely on in these cases," she explained. "The case is a county court case and each case is decided on its own merits and on the factual circumstances of each case. This does not set any legal precedent," said MBNA. 'Secret commission' The credit card in question was branded with the logo of Sunderland football club and was sold to Ms Thorius in the club's shop in 2002. The PPI policy was sold to her at the same time, to pay off her account if she fell ill or was made redundant. But, critically, she had not been told that MBNA would be receiving regular commission payments from the insurance provider ITT London & Edinburgh, a subsidiary of the Aviva insurance group. Judge Smart agreed with the argument of Ms Thorius's barrister, Paul Brant, that this "secret" commission meant the credit card deal was unfair and therefore in breach the Consumer Credit Act. This point could potentially undermine many other agreements where PPI has been sold by the lender alongside a loan. These include car finance deals, other personal loans and even mortgages. "This practice is believed to be widespread and formed part of the Competition Commission's decision to prohibit the co-sale of PPI with credit in its report published on 29/1/09," Mr Brant noted. "This point is likely to affect many thousands of individuals within England and Wales," he added. Repayments Judge Smart also agreed that the debt on Ms Thorius's credit card was unenforceable because the card company could not provide a copy of the original loan agreement, which is also required by the Consumer Credit Act. MBNA's claim for the repayment of the outstanding money on the card was rejected. And the Judge ordered the company either to repay Ms Thorius's PPI premiums and interest, or the value of the commissions it had received which so far has been undisclosed. The PPI premiums, which rose each month as the credit card debts increased, amounted to £2,500 over the time the card had been in use. Controversial The claims management industry which has emerged in the past few years has been highly controversial. Many firms advertise in newspapers and on television, encouraging people to come forward to write off their debts. This year the authorities, such as the Office of Fair Trading (OFT), Ministry of Justice (which regulates claims management firms) and the Solicitors Regulation Authority, have warned firms not to make exaggerated claims about their ability to get debts written off because of apparent technical errors in the lenders' paperwork. Since April 2007 more than 100 such firms, or those advertising for people to pursue personal injury claims, have been shut down by the OFT. But the South Shields ruling appears to open up a new and genuine line of attack for claims firms. "We have been using this argument for some time but lenders have been settling outside the courts to avoid publicity," said Mr Wright. MBNA applied for leave to appeal, which was rejected, but it may now apply directly to a higher court for permission to appeal. Only when higher courts have decided the issue will the legal ramifications, and the effects on lender and borrowers, be clear.

i spent some time looking at and speaking to CMCs for my unenforceable case. TORSTON were one of the few that offered a free assessment, the fees were reasonable (not cheapest) and they come across as a professional outfit (unlike some of the jokers that I spoke to!) the final thing that nailed it for me is that you don't pay them, you pay the solicitor (solicitors tend to be regulated with a firmer hand/SRA than claims companies)

just here to share my experience of champix. I had been smoking for just over 20 years, around the 20-a-day mark. Tried many things, patches, alan carr, inhalers etc... and none of them worked for me. Got champix from the doc last november and have been off them ever since. I think that they are truly amazing. But I am also aware that some people have had side effects, so can only take about my experience. I was a little suspicious of the little blighters to start with and decided to take half the recommended dose. I carried on doing this throughout and finished the course a few weeks earlier than suggested but it has worked for me with few side effects. I still like the smell of smoke and quite enjoy walking past the odd smoker but I do not intend to put one in my mouth again. Finally, there was one other consideration here or motivating factor if you will and that was finding out that my wife was pregnant with our first child. So was it this news or the wonderdrug champix? I have wanted to give up for a few years now and have tried and failed on my an occasion. I am convinced that it was champix - but I accept the news probbaly helped me stay off them. Plus my brother is in exactly the same position with his first child on the way, he hasn't tried champix and is still smoking.

hi I don't pay anything to Torston. They don't work for free as such... they don't charge me but I believe that they get a referral fee from the solicitor who is handling the case. Eitherway I feel better about paying the solicitor directly. The solicitor charges £495 all-in and doesn't take anything else off i.e. they don't charge a % of debt cleared and this will cover all of my legal fees regardless of how far the case goes. I am personally all-for doing it yourself and using moneysavingexpert/CAG for most things (charges, PPI...) but I just think £495 for legal representation and less-hassle is well worth it. The other deciding factor for me was that they will put together a seperate case against my lender, if they register anything negative on my credit file (which they shouldn't but I wouldn't put anything past them). I would just like to add fair-play to anybody that does do it themselves. If I had more time to research this area and felt more confident with the legal side of it/protecting my credit record, I probably would of gone direct.

I would say find a company that does not charge an upfront fee for the assessment. I found a couple; Torston who are in Hampshire and Devon and a company called simply claims up in yorkshire. I went with Torston - too early to say how good as case hasn't started yet. but it isn't costing me anything to find out if the agreement complies