I recently got clamped and fined. Properly sornd etc. But they debate the 'road' was a public one. I dont. Consequently had to re-tax in middle of month and was given a tax that started the begining of next. Was seen and fined for not having tax etc.at the time. Its a lot more winded you can read my post, but I'm disputing this and expect to go to court. The upshot is insurance companies can organise a system of charge from the second you pay, not the nearest month for christ sake. The whole system is a joke. But then what few people realise this IS the Napoleonic 'state comes first' system of europe, the EU wants for all and Britain is swinging by its balls. Good luck with any protest, I'm right beside ya.

I'd dig out yer passport and start packing mate. DVLA, a once respectable organisation have now gone EU. That is they follow the state is supreme agenda. Just expect the worst, the biggest fine they think you can pay and screw yer life up as much as possible.

Well if thats your attitude, we've lost before we begin. Lucky then history has been dotted with a few other hero types or we'd still be sucking mud. Here's part of MY last (3rd) letter to DVLA. (they want to fine me 200 pounds for having the wrong date on my tax. Saying I deliberatly bought it to start the begining of the next month- about a week early. Except I bought it because it was a condition of the release fee and refund from NCP.) It will now be read in court and further will be blasted at my MP. Just remember blowing people up doesnt always get you what you want. Many have tried including Hitler, its the letter writers and those who are persistantly annoying and pursuasive that win. Look how the EU has progressed, - for example. ". . .I’m not yet a terrorist and none of this is really a life threatening issue, so why should it matter so? This whole matter has caused untold inconvenience and hardship to me yet who’s actually at fault if anyone? You know, I have had many jobs in my career in the real world and one thing I have learnt is that while none of us are perfect and people do make mistakes, it’s the attitude of the person that matters. And while people from all walks of life from local government to premiership are hauled over the coals for incompetence or mistakes it’s the intention and attitude that separates the good from the bad. You and the government know you operate an overly complicated system that is flawed yet you exploit legislation to negate any responsibility of sorting it, and instead heavily penalise defenceless people like me. As you are no doubt aware life is full of discrepancies and I don’t doubt for one second dvla has been in any way deliberately awkward or greedy in using NCP to wrongly clamp my car. These things do happen. So to use legislation to criminalise me now when we are not all perfect in an imperfect world is unfair, unjust and unreasonable. I honestly would have expected better. I have even been to court before with dvla over another silly mistake when using the wrong cheque book and now you want to do it again. I have apologised and I have offered and paid for the discrepancy. But your demand for settlement is completely out of proportion to any alleged crime. Like many nowadays simple errors affect all of us like using banks. The difference now is the public and courts have realised how unreasonable banks have been for many years and what they’ve got away with. You see it’s that trying to exploit others for the simple mistakes we all make, that grieves people. Your time will come. So please note that if my explanation still does not convince you to offer a discharge instead of a ‘settlement’, I will defend myself in Court with the hope that the Magistrates will accept this explanation I offer. As it was a genuine misunderstanding and I have made attempts to correct the error which you have so far refused. I am sure that even if they don’t have the option to show discrepancy in the spirit of true and fair justice they will at least know of ONE person with the right attitude even if they have made a mistake."

Sorry but after reading through the posts relating to dvla, all I find are useful comments that reiterate various chunks of legislation thats come about from one year to the next. Yet from illegal clamping to having cars dragged off private driveways and very obvious persecution from dvla a sad picture is developing. Little have I found anywhere to offer an explanation of who or why, (other than waffle about crime and terrorist propaganda) and little do I read that mentions any ongoing protest or application or amendment to the government about this sorry state thats come about. While this forum is excellent for providing an oppertunity to sound out about problems and may represent a sample of those victimised by dvla (the state) its not indicitive of everyone who has had a run in with these "fascist's" and other than helpful comments from fellow victims, thats it. While little objection is made to our government wasting many tens of millions of pounds more just to build new adminastritive centres filled with letter writers to do this, these centres provide little more than jobs for mostly women and a large steady income that pays the bloated salaries and a steady income stream for GB. some people question the civil liberties lost in Britain today. Might there be a connection in this brave new Britain? Terrorism / crime = state control / Money. Come on action forums, lets see some.

just waiting to here back from NCP- if I ever do. Sent them letter from housing assc who do own the road confirming its owned by them , not council AND not maintained by public funds. They say its not for paarking in but hey. DVLA pased thebuck completly.

Update: [EDIT] at DVLA are still taking me to court AND they have the extra months tax I paid, as (part payment) to the £189 fine what a bloody cheek. I tell you, the way things are now, the 42 days and now they want to legally acept anonymous witnesses in courts. THIS IS NOW A POLICE STATE. I cant believe why anyone hasn't announced this on the 10'clock news. Even in lawless Mugabe's regime you can fight back. What chance does anyone have in THIS God forsaken country, that so many fought and died for, when your fellow countrymen will take you to court for being sold the wrong date on a car tax.And you offer to pay.

Sorry to drag this old post up again when so many others are clearly having your own troubles. Continuing on with the saga, all ready reading up on small claims etc. when I get a letter from the DVLA telling me I have ben reported for driving with out ved. After carefully checking date on the receipt I thankfully kept, I had bought ved after **** clamped me unlawfully and made me hand over monies until I had, I fired off a nice long letter telling them they had made a mistake (another one) and that I had tax etc. on the day. Reply was that if I bothered to check, my tax was incorrect therefore pay one hundred an eighty pound (again) or go to court. In my haste to buy tax on the 20th of the month, for said ncp clamping **** I had been sold a tax from the 1st of the NEXT month, (May I think). So on the day i was reported 28th I was 'technically' using no tax. Rather unfair, so I've offered to pay a months tax (at the higher six month rate) and hope they'll settle for that. This is all just going too far. . .

Yes they have said (confirmed over the phone) and then chap sent me a little copy of a map. Although he tried to tell me it actually didnt matter - in regards to dvla. I said it did. It IS an unadopted road and is owned & maintained by a local housing assoc. Whatever is said or done that is, and more importantly WAS the situation on the day of clamping. However they may weasel their way out of it. The controversy is that the ncp drones prior to me checking this, assured me that they have already detailed areas of roads supplied from (the same) council. They're either up each others backsides or in each others pockets. However the council cannot lie about an un adopted road. It is what it is.

no idea what vrm means, however in my case it was sorn'd. difficult bit is getting them to accept an un adopted road is off road - by definition.

That reminds me, there is a bit in the road traffic act - direct gov version that mentions roads 'adjoining' public road, so even an unadopted road if it runs parallel or touches a public road which could be anything outside . I think they 'mean' when they say off road private land... like a farm or more likely private estate. But another thread yeah. interesting if anyone has similar issues or success

No Charge from council, but where / how do I start. (Is there a how to take to court section or threatening letter templates anywhere) I did wonder if it might be worth writing to the DVLA prosecuter at my local office - portsmouth. I now no its pointless to ever try and ring the dvla again.

Hi All, first post. Nice to know there's a growing community spirit aghast at the police state we've almost become. My vehicle properly sorn off road and MOT'd normally resides in my relatives back garden. Since we had to clear a load of rubbish weeds etc. i moved it on to our service road for the day. It just happened to be the day our secret police nepalese friends, enlisted to do dvlas dirty work decided to pop round with there scanners.And sure enough it was clamped. Rang them and got the bad news, it was a public road ??? and almost convinced these **** should tow away it away for good as a favour. So Got clamp off (without damaging it) and moved it into garden they came past early morning looking to tow it but couldnt. I rang them again and agreed to pay. Two hundred pounds. 120 refunded within week of getting tax. Thing is it was and is a service road. I was straight on to local council who agreed, but when I said why I rang they said it didnt matter still liable. (obv a cut from dvla) County council were a bit better. Took two weeks but eventually got a little copy of a ordanance map showing road was outside their blue line and Highways chap agreed is UNadopted. Have written to NCP **** asking for refund but no word yet. I cant realy go to court for 80 quid, so what are the options. To say its all about preventing crime and terrorism is crap. Its about money.