Hi, dont know how you can access my comments or submitted script but i raised this issue last week,i have been caught by camera and the fine sent to my company head office then deducted out of my wages without prior warning or notice. I have done some research into this and so far nothing is 100% clear,its true that an employer can only take the three things you mentioned,however if your contract states (as mine does) that unpaid fines can be deducted then they are entitled to do so. However as you have union representation you can approach your employer and claim that as they have paid the fine without informing you they have in effect removed your right to appeal the penalty (as in most cases payment of the penalty removes your right to appeal with most London Boroughs),and believe me appealing any penalty is worth while as i have had a 60% success rate in doing so, not quite sure i understand the latter part of your comments regarding the admin fee and charges your employer is making but re: the ticket go through your union rep,i am sure we are not alone in this instance. I did contact ACAS who stated that i could take my employer to an industrial trib',even if my employer has a contract to deduct my wages for PCN and i am considering doing so, Good Luck.

although thats PCN which i am aware of so have recourse to appeal,regarding camera fines i will give you one example of what has happened to me.In slow moving traffic approaching a yellow junction box i stopped and waited for the traffic in front of me to clear before i moved,three car lenghts behind me a police car in traffic sets of siren so the traffic all moves up in unison to allow the police car to escape traffic,me and a black cab land on the junction box,hey presto caught by camera 'stationary on a yellow juction box' ,when i pointed this out to him AFTER he paid without my consent and stated i had very good cause to question the fine ...well you no the rest.

Well he is a former tax officer,so that rings true...........do you mean tax relief on my fine and how more tax

Will suggest that to him on monday,will let you know how it goes,thanks.

From my perspective it just a case of him doing whats fair,and us as employees doing whats fair to him,but he refuses to be reasonable..............are you aware of the employees position on wage deduction? as getting conflicting advice

Yes we all work from home,but no we cant use for personal use,occasionally i do though,get shopping on way home from work etc but if i need to use for a specific journey of an eccessive distance i speak to my manager and put my own diesel in..why?

actually would prefer to take him down a peg or two in the legal sense as to hit him that way would have a much more desired effect,will check with employment law re deductions again

Yes have had the conversation where i have asked for any and all fines to be forwarded without delay as i will pay them myself,as i do with traffic warden parking tickets but clearly to no avail,as for the on-line solictor as it states in my contract that all parking fines are my responsibilty and unpaid sums will be deducted accordingly,thats there opinion.at best i think this is a very grey area at worst my employer just finds it easy to do as he pleases with little or no recourse........prob not relevent but a more anal,controling spoilt little child of a man you could not wish to meet,how he hasnt been punched soundly in the mouth by now is beyond me.........said without bias lol.

I think this post is saying that as the R.K is ultimately responsible for all fines relating to his vehicles therefore in theory should an employee incur a fine then leave the job the R.K. then is liable for the fine and has the hassle of chasing the now ex-employee for reimbursment,however if you read my reply to that post you will see that scenario is very unlikely due to our pay struture.hope that helps.

Not convinced that pay cannot be deducted without consent as according to on-line solicitor they can in this instance.however if you have any proof this cant be done i would greatly appreciate it.and thanks for the link about which deductions cannot be made, as although it doesnt state on that site about parking fines specifically it does say that cost of mobile phones calls on company phones cannot be taken without prior consent and he has done this to me and other employees i believe. Have decided to speak to him directly on monday,would appreciate any advice from people on how to approach it ?.

As i have previously mentioned as he is the R.K. of the vehicles ultimately he is responsible for the fines and i understand his position,and yes its true that some (not all) local councils will only accept representation from the R.K. (IF YOU SEND AN APPEAL ON COMPANY HEADED PAPER THEY WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THE APPEAL AS I HAVE DONE SO,SUCCESSFULLY). Can i also say that re: the point that as he is R.K and doubles his liabilty if he permits employees to appeal that we are paid monthly and work a month in hand,and two months in hand on overtime,So as any penalties are sent to his office its very unlikely that a scenario could arise where he is left having to pay a fine without being able to deduct that fine from an employees salary

Appreciate the sentiment but as for union representation i think i'd want the support of the other employees,and the entire culture of this company isnt geared to it nor are the staff,and my co-workers wouldnt support me,As is the case in this trade in general (locksmith/access control) they would be to worried about the implications for them.As for where we are sent to of its not really relevent as there isnt an intention from (the employer) to purposely get you a pcn or other fine, But being London even if you take as much care as is neccessary its very,very easy to slip up as there are cameras absolutely everywhere.Still thats a whole other subject.I would just want my employer to show the decency to duely inform me or any of the staff when these caught by camera incidents occur and give us a prior warning so we can then take the steps necessary to follow up the fine,its just about common curteousy and respect,of which he (the owner) has none.

dont think they are pocketing the cash lol,but................ and no not delivering i am a mantenance technician and rarely attend the same address.wish i could consult a union but dont think that option is open to me but thanks anyway.

just thought i'd add the exact wording of my contract relating to this issue................you will be responsible for any fines incurred.if these sums remain unpaid the appropiate deductions will be made from your pay in such circumstances.

seems very unfair,and agree that its should just be a case of my employer and me communicating,i,m sure that if the fine was coming out of his pocket he wont be so hasty to pay but as he can charge the fine to me he simply doesnt care.

Has any one else had the problem of employers deducting parking fines from there salaries without prior notice? my case cant be unique,just got my pay slip and enclosed was a copy of the penalty notice that my company had the good grace to pay on my behalf then deduct £60.00 from my pay,all without me having any prior knowledge of the ticket.....................but heres the rub!!! once the fine has been paid it in effect removes my right to appeal,AS IS THE CASE WITH ALL LONDON BOROUGH COUNCILS,sort of if you pay then you were guilty situation. This has happened three times in the past six months and although i have till now quite politely asked my employer to inform me of any fines i may incur in the company vehicle that i wouldnt be aware of they continuely fail to do so.working in London means tickets are something of an occupational hazard and of the 20 or so tickets issued by traffic wardens i have successfully appealed 12,but when caught via a camera i have no pre warning/notice that i have committed an offence (not difficult in London) so the notice is then sent directly to my employer and the first i hear of it is when i see the deduction from my wages,i have explained the 'if you pay the fine i cant appeal bit' to my employer only to be told why appeal you wont get anywhere,did try to tell them that in paying the fine without informing me that i'd incurred one they were in effect removing my right to appeal ,But they state as they own the vehicles and that my contract states fines that remain unpaid will be deducted they are acting within employment law..............however how can i pay a fine or appeal a fine i dont know i,ve incurred unless they (my employer) informs me,any one else had this problem? Just want to add that i accept that i do have to pay PCN thats not an issue,However my frusration is that i feel i shoudnt have my right to appeal removed/respected.