Ha Ha you guys name the drink and I'll get it , if your ever in Liverpool let us know yeh.. Yes I have most certainly learned to join a union

thanks everyone For your advice on this matter your contribution has been invaluable to me. I can't believe I turned this round with your advice. I am now in receipt of a compromised agreement all I need to do now is take it to a solicitors and get it signed. I can now completely focus my efforts on my new position. The CA was a bit less than what I asked for but I knew it would be that's why I asked for more. Considering 6 weeks ago I was facing the prospect of summary dismissal and no job . To completely turn this around took alot of hard work , research and time I feel it has now all been worth my while. Once again thanks guys/gals . I'll buy you all a drink x

Thankyou so much for taking the time to reply to my thread it is really appreciated. I am now in receipt of the warning issued to me and I am once again left astounded at the ignorance of these so called managers. I will list some of the literature enclosed in my outcome letter. I have looked at the three documents to ascertain if you have requested the training and I can find no evidence of this. Therefore I do not believe that you did ask for retraining..in response I could not have made it more clearer on these documents I even specified that I was not confident and did not want to put my name to any permit to work or H+S documents. 2) whilst I appreciate that you had 6 months off work prior to the accident , I have no reason to believe that all the training the company has given you was forgotten due to your illness or absence. You did not tell me that and provided no evidence to suggest that your memory in respect of training was forgotten due to illness. I note that you remembered how to drive the loading shovel. I therefore do not accept that your memory was impaired. In response- ha do I really have to lol , well if I must , a risk assessment of me and my condition would have answered this as the main part of a mental illness is that it impares your memory.. I also will now ask for this manager to produce training certificates with dates attended for working with disability in the work place. Surely after making such presumptions on my illness he must have had some sort of training. Mr x was questioned and he confirmed that the training took place on the date in question. I therefore believe his version of events as I can see no reason for him not to tell the truth.. In reply- I have written evidence off my witness and run through the the goings on on that day and it would have been impossible for me to do it that day. Also I called another witness who could have confirmed that the training took place after the incident but he conveniently was unable to attend. The company then told me they would go and question him , this did not happen and nobody approached him about this.. I also made an allegation that my 1st aid certificate in my file was false. As I was off sick on this date. And in my response to this by the company: I have investigated this point and the certificate was sent in error, I will arrange this to be removed from your file. In any case this is not relevant to the disciplinary. Also the minutes of the meeting are a waste of time, luckily I had a colleague who was taking his own minutes of the meeting and the difference is amazing. My condition has been developing since October last year however as it is now anticipated to last over a 12 month period I will be protected by DDA. I have had this confirmed by a solicitor .

Hi I will keep you posted , if they now accept the CA I presume in the terms of the agreement that they will not allow me to bring any allegations against them.. Just want a quick resolve to all this so I can move on with my life and focus all my energy on my new position

Thankyou for your reply as I have said I take all advice on here and research it . Just to start on this Discrimination As got said by my manager in disciplinary hearing " If I was a new starter you would have had some sympathy" Implying that me would have dealt with someone else more favourably. Having regular panic attacks Informed 2 managers and HR manager of these Not making reasonable adjustments IE training Written Warning Been off ILL despite me sticking to company policy, given permission for company to access medical records, going to employers designated doctor on regular intervals, not forgetting having a home visit from employer.. Employer failed to make reasonable adjustments to help remove a substantial disadvantage I was experiencing as a result of illness .. Refresher training would have assisted me in being able to identify hazards this left me at a major disadvantage. Risk assessment : after 6 month off with a severe mental illness this should have been done. Treatment could not be justified : could not uphold allegations , if they did as stated on my disciplinary letter if any allegations made against me was upheld then it would result in summery dismissal. ( I am still not in receipt of outcome of disciplinary in the form of letter so don't know what verbal warning is for) Providing training Put back my own request to see company doctor as doctor stated in final report he would be happy to see me at my request if need arose. Just one of these alone would be sufficient to have discrimination case. As my condition now would be anticipated to last 12 month I am now protected by DDA. This is not to mention the H+S certificates, deliberately lying on statements made against me during investigation which I produced photographic evidence to prove these lies. So without sounding patronising I certainly won't be walking away from this. Yes I agree in 99% of the time it is advised to put a grievance in but as I am not looking to settle a dispute or get my job back I really don't see how this will help my case. Once again I really do appreciate your time in responding to my post and eagerly await your response. It really helps me to hear other sides to the story

It beggars belief I have now resigned due to breach of lack of trust & confidence , have also mentioned that I could not stay employed by a company who condone and try to cover up what I believe to be criminal activity in the form of falsification of health+safety certificates. I will now first try to negotiate with them in form of compromise agreement if no then it's off to tribunal even if I don't win the truth will come out .. Yes I am really enjoying my new job thanks .

Hi I have just started working as a surveyor for miller Patterson , I have no sales experience just 8 years in construction industry. We have a full and comprehensive surveyor training before we are allowed to even touch a drill. It's true that people may see it as cold calling but it is more like making homeowners and the elderly aware of the grants that are put in place not only in a way of taxing your energy provider as they have to foot the bill for at least 80% of the work and in a lot of cases 100% but also away of reducing co2 . I have to trapse round the streets for 8hrs a day in all weather conditions to try and save people money. I guess we as Brits are to scepticle and don't know a good thing when it slaps you in the face. I refuse to be brainwashed into acting like a salesman I just have a conversation with the homeowner but as soon as you mention the word energy they just slam the door.. The only thing that keeps me going is the thought that in the long run I will be saving people there hard earned cash.. So please people of merseyside realise a good thing when you have it offered as these grants will soon be cut and when any future residential emissions legislation comes into effect you will be the first ones crying when your been taxed on these emissions ..

I have been CAB and the employment lawyer there has mentioned that a CA is an option but it will let them off the hook in respect to health + safety documents. As I said I have found employment so this is not about getting my job back or to some extent money , it's about proving that people have broken the law, and are in breach of my contract as it states in my terms that I must sign and date any training i have done and as I ain't done the training I won't have signed for these. Am just so proud of myself for refusing to lie down and take this, although my psychiatrist has helped me alot through this process and have had some great advice from you guys on here I am still proud that I had the balls to stand up to these lying bastardos and present my case so well . I would love a letter of apology off them that would be the icing on the cake

Well it's now been 6 weeks from tge date I was suspended, 1 week on from disciplinary hearing and still no closer to any solution . I have since found new employment and start on Monday but I am still going to fight to clear my name. If the company had not falsified evidence against me and my senior supervisor had not lied so much on his statements I would probably just let it go and move on. I am determined to out these liars and if I can't do it I will go to HSE to investigate the fact that they have falsified training certificates. I am now in no need to resign I will just let the company make the decision, then go for a compromised agreement. Does anyone think I should wait or just go straight in for a compromised agreement before I know the outcome of disciplinary meeting. It's clear to see that the company have got themselves in a right mess.

Hi thanks for reply , I know this may sound strange after some of my earlier posts but it's now been 4 weeks and in this time I have been evaluating a lot of things and have come to the conclusion that I never want to work for these horrible people , they don't deserve my loyalty and commitment I have shown for past 8 years. As I am not looking to settle a dispute is it worth putting a grievance in ? Or is it something I should bring up at a later date ? I really do not see how they can dismiss me now for breach of health + safety , when the company have breached the H+S standards them selves by falsifying certificates to try and prove I had this training . So if they do not dismiss me I will resign and go for constructive dismissal, also if they are found to be neglectful in that they have abused there duty of care in failing to protect an employees mental health and a court deems it could have been avoided then they best start to worry as there is no limit to the compensation I can receive. If it is summary dismissal, I will have 3 H+S training certificates with 1 witness statement and another included in minutes of meeting proving the company have falsified evidence and also certificates. Which I feel the health and safety executive will be interested to see.

Well after 6 hrs today spent in disciplinary hearing there is still no decision . I am amazed that the company was stupid enough to falsify Health & Safety training certificates to try and prove I had training before the incident which was used as evidence against me. I called 2 witnesses that have demonstrated that as they was with me on days specified on my certificate of attendance training certificates , that have now proved that these training certificates to be falsified , as this allegation by me was made and the fact I have witnesses collaborating my allegation . I was amazed how the hearing wasn't adjourned whilst these allegations was investigated.

It's now been 3 weeks and I still have not heard anything, this whole episode has made me very ill again , I have had to increase my medication, have more intense phyciactric help even if no action gets taken I will not be able to attend work. Could I ask for a compromise agreement or would that be an admission of guilt on my behalf?

Not to my knowledge he hasn't but if he is not being misled by senior management I do not see a reason why he wouldn't confirm this