Thanks....I think I sometimes take the idea of being "frictional" a little bit too far. It's nice that we managed to resolve this situation like adults, instead of taking it on a downward spiral. Best regards, Guy77

OK...I am man enough to accept where I have done wrong. Both the comment about the birth certificate and the comment about the expression of opinion which didn't answer the question were on the rude side at best, and out of order at worst. Sorry guys. I hope you accept this apology - I don't know who has been ****ing in my shreddies. Lastly, you have insulted me by insinuating that I am uneducated and/or stupid. Nothing angers me more than that because there is nothing more untrue than that. Stating that somebody has made a stupid comment, and stating that somebody is stupid are two different things. You then wrote "it's nice to be nice" - something which I am now won over by, if I was not already. Maybe you should take your own advice and apologise.

Whilst it is true that you can never guarantee that the answer to any question will be to your liking, this is not the same thing as expecting the answer to actually address the question raised. The fact remains that I asked three very specific questions - any response that failed to address these would be unsatisfactory to me. You did not make any attempt to address these three points so your statement was therefore unsatisfactory. Blitz addressed the points made and I was grateful for that. With regards to the implication that I have attitude - judge not lest thee be judged.

Thanks, but no thanks. I'm glad what you wrote was short - if it had been long then I would have been very angry that I had politely endeavoured to read it to the end only to realise that your statement was merely an expression of opinion that made no attempt to answer the specific questions that I raised.

Hi - thanks very much for your genearl comments on this issue - i'm sure I speak for everyone when I say that your research has helped us and saved us some time! Since you are the expert on this forum (I don't mean this to sound sarcastic btw!), I was wondering if I could pick your brain on the following: 1) Is Challenge 25 now incorporated into the law such that pubs must abide by it, or are they only legally obliged to follow it if they opt into the scheme? 2) If someone is challenged, are the only acceptable forms of identification a)Passport; or b)Driving license, or is it the case that the pub only has to take reasonable steps to ensure that the person is atleast 18 (what is "reasonable" depending on the circumstances). 3) If a person is challenged under the scheme and cannot satisfy the pub that they are atleast 18, is the pub then legally obliged to eject them from the premises? I'd really appreciate your help on this as I can't find an official document on the web that answers these questions. In case you're wondering, i'm 25 and was refused alcohol in a pub because I didn't have ID. I wasn't bothered as I had work the next day so I ordered a coke instead. This request was refused and I was asked to leave the pub because they said I needed either a driving license or UK Passport. I want to know if this guy was legally obliged to throw me out, or whether he just needed to take reasonable steps to ensure I was over 18 (the two friends I was with proved that they were 24 and 27, and I had uni ID which was always accepted a few years ago). Frankly, i've had enough....I get ID'd now far more than I did when I was 18...it's gone to far! Thanks

guy77

No offence, but I doubt that a birth certificate would be acceptable. Think about it. It seems that the stupidity inherent in this comment is corroberated by the rest of your post.