I sent them a letter from info I gained on here and I never heard from them again, if you PM with your email address I will send it to you and you can re use

I've been dealing with a pcn from parking Eye on another thread, I decided to ignore until the debt collectors letter and lo and behold the debt collection company is also Parking Eye! The address is the same except the po box number and the phone operator was the same [EDIT] girl I spoke to the first time I got the PCN, I told her it was in dispute to which she got all huffy and when I quoted her some contract law stuff (thanks to the sticky) and threated to claim harrassment (as the letter threatened to clamp me and that the bailiffs would seize goods - which cannot be enforced except by the courts as I believe) she said she would "put a note on the system". Surely it's worng that the PCN can also act as a debt collectors for their own charges? One for Watchdog I think ;-) I'm not paying they can get lost! That really riled me!

Thanks for that, and I agree to soem extent they won't take any notice, but I'd already phoned them to 'have a go' before findong this forum, so if ut's true that they record your conversations then I've already admitted that I was the driver.

I have been back to the services, still impossible to read even knowing where they are now in fact I still can't tell you what it says on them, maybe I just haven't eaten enough carrots in my lifetime to be able to see well enough in the dark! I am sending a letter today stating I'm not in breach as I couldn't read the terms. I also noticed today when I went to Tesco's that there was a sign on the way in about 8 foot from the ground regarding parking, yet I could only find 1 other sign in the whole car park and not one near the parent and child or disabled parking even though the sign related in some part to parking in those spaces, these companies are taking the **** if they think that people park their car then go on a hunt with 2 small kids / elderly relative round a car park on the off chance that there are some parking conditions too high up for you read. If the owner or the land wants to be sure that people pay, wouldn't it be easier to operate a barrier and ticket system that way you can't leave without paying? At least that would put these rip off PPC's out of business!

Thank you everyone for your comments. Chesterexpress, I have been back in the day time and there are a wealth of signs, however I could not see any in the dark, and I even used the services so walked around them. I have taken photo's of the signs and there are no lights on them or are they refelctive in any way, they are also positioned high from the ground which does not allow car headlights to pick up the signs. Whilst I agree that with your comments regarding to land owners paying rates etc, I would rather have seen the sign and paid for extra parking time, or I would have taken my car to the restaurant I was going to in Lymm instead of trying to save fuel / the planet etc by car sharing. If the fine was in proportion to the 'crime' then again I may not have a problem paying and put it down to experience, but let me tell you when I left the services after a bad cup of coffee, I even wondered in my head if there were any parking limits and had a look round, trust me, those signs are not visible in the dark unless you KNOW that they are there. I am going back tonight to take pictures in the dark, just to make doubly sure I am right. I really hate all this, it's so time consuming but I know that is what these companies thrive on, people being too busy to challenge them.

I recently parked at Lymm Services managed by parking eye. I drove in to the services at 8.30 pm, met a friedn and went in their car for dinner, came bacl to the services, had coffee and left at 1.15. I did not see ANY signs in the dark, and was unaware that there was a 2 hour parking limit until I received the notice from parking eye. I called up and asked how to appeal since the signs are not visible in the dark and was told that I had no appeal as it was a 24 hour services. My 14 day period is up on Tuesday and I do not want the fine to go up, but I also don't want to pay the fine out of principle as the signs were not lit. I have read many threads on this forum but can't find any relating to unlit signs, does anyone have any experience with Parking Eye if I write and refuse to pay on these grounds.