Are these still on hold?

as Wirral has be chosen to change over To Universal Credit in July

 

Isn't Esther McVey your MP? Well well well!

 

I thought UC wasn't coming out for at least another 3 years?

The PCS isn't on your side. They are just trying to garner solidarity from claimants by laying the blame wholly at the DWP's doorstep.

If the PCS gave a fig about claimants they would be subverting sanctions and conditionality behind the scenes.

 

I have to agree and it makes me sick to hearSerwotka proselytize when he knows some of his members are willfully enacting these sanctions.

The PCS isn't on your side. They are just trying to garner solidarity from claimants by laying the blame wholly at the DWP's doorstep.

If the PCS gave a fig about claimants they would be subverting sanctions and conditionality behind the scenes.

 

I have to agree and it makes me sick to hearSerwotka proselytize when he knows some of his members are willfully enacting these sanctions.

Does anyone know what will be expected of post Work Programme ESA claimants, such as myself, that are in the WRAG?

Margaret is correct: as things stand, ESA claimants cannot be mandated (whether through the WP or JCP's own schemes) to:

 

1) Apply for jobs

2) Undertake unpaid work experience

3) Undertake medical treatment

 

Compulsory work experience applies only to JSA claimants.

 

What can be expected of WRAG claimants?

So what can be expected of ESA claimants in the WRAG? What are the JC going to expect or want of me post WP?

But the adviser can't mandate you to look for a job or undertake work experience.

 

Margaret.

 

Are you sure they can't compel work experience? isnt that the governments big thing at the moment, starting in April?

hello, as a member of the above ESA group my time on the Work Programme (which I started while on JSA, fwiw) ends this month. To that end the JC have written to call me in for a 'post WP support interview', however I have been told that for people in my position this shouldn't happen. This is apparently because the WP doesn't end after two years if on ESA. Can anyone confirm the correct position here? The DWP claim that the WP ends after two years (i started in April 2012) regardless of what benefit you are on or were on when you were referred.

 

FWIW also the WP has proven no help at all and I am not particularly comfortabnle dealing with the JC again. I am undergoing a mental health assessment process and would rather avoid all this as much as possible.

 

Thank you.

You've been given the answer several times, most recently (and in some detail) by Speedfreek above. It's up to you whether you want to accept the information or not.

your attitude is a joke.

 

and if people think that this issue is a 'non thread' they can **** off. This is EXTREMELY serious to me. and I will not have my feelings traduced by some ****, especially on what is supposed to be a support forum!

This is a non thread and I'm surprised that nobody has pointed out that official pro bono notification for an assessment is done by LETTER!

 

The telephone call is just some wizzo idea that means nothing without a notification of the appointment in writing.

 

The only reason for a telephone call at all is courtesy (I never thought I'd use that word in relation to ATOS!) as you may want to accept an early (within 7 days) appointment if available or the date they have picked may be inconvenient for you and it is far easier to re-arrange before the official notification letter is issued.

 

Amazingly I didn't get sanctioned after ignoring the calls from ATOS last December (nor has anybody else in living memory) and as if by magic a letter informing me of their proposed time date and place of assessment arrived not to soon afterwards.

 

I ignore all calls unless I'm expecting one. DWP, ATOS whoever I can't be sanctioned for not talking to them and if it's important they can leave a message or send me a letter.

 

p.s. forgot this bit - yes you can tell them with impunity that you do not wish to talk to them if you accidentally answer a call from them.

I have no idea what pro bono notification is, but how can you be sure that you are right?

ghost whistler, your question has, as far as I can see, been answered. However, again from what I am reading, your question is purely hypothetical in that no phone call has yet been made.

 

You have been advised that you do not have to give your number - unfortunately from a separate claim, you had already done so.

 

You are worried that ATOS "might" phone.

 

If they do, then you have been advised that you do not need to speak to them on the phone - they cannot stop your benefits.

 

If it concerns you so much, why not write to ATOS and confirm that you are unable to take calls, for whatever reason and that you prefer everything to be either in writing or email and to kindly add this to your notes.

 

They don't stop benefits - the DWP does and will do on their instruction that I refused to book an appointment.

 

I'm afraid that I find your comment extremely naive. If you think ATOS act with responsibility and respect then all I can say is that you have not been paying attention. THey are anything but. Now while I don't know what will happen, I simply cannot assume that they will respect my wish - and if they don't what then? If I put the phone down on them after saying 'i don't want to talk to you on the phone', what do you think they will do? This is a company that has, now, years of bad reputation; there are hundreds of reports of people being mistreated by these people (and the DWP aren't much better, let's be honest), including my own experience. Now while that might be anecdotal, it's still serious IMO.

gw, as I and others have already said on this thread, we don't give our phone numbers out to DWP or ATOS and it's not a problem at all.

Of course not, since they don't have that number. As has been said, the DWP has my phone number. That's the problem.

Really? Like to quote us all chapter and verse backing up that pack of cow dung ?

What's that supposed to mean? Are you ATOS? Are you not aware of their reputation, which is a matter of record, I might add.

 

You imagine much sir, but your imagination isnt the truth. There are many many people who cant take phone calls and there is no obligation to speak to anyone.

The Government itself states that no one should give out information over the telephone yet the first thing ATOS/DWP do on the phone is ask you to give out personal information identifying itself.

 

So stop spouting rubbish please.

I have no idea what you are trying to say. You've obviously not read what i posted and the reaons I gave for not wanting to speak to them.

 

Given Atos' appalling reputation and my experience with them I wouldn't be remotely surprised if, should I refuse to talk to them over the phone, that they decided I was a difficult customer and referred me back to the DWP. Doing so would mean an instant curtailing of my benefits.

 

I'm not really interested if you believe or agree with me.

They won't take a dim view nor will your benefits be stopped simply because you find using the phone difficult.

how can you be sure of that? last time i dealt with them, a couple of years, ago they caused my benefits to be stopped after lying to me (two different advisers) when i asked if i could postpone my WCA by a ouple of weeks. I don't really trust these people. However even then they didn't ring me to book the WCA they wrote to me saying "you need to contact us by x to book your appointment". It would make more sense if that was still the system, i don't remember what the esa50 form was like then, if it was different at all.

I suspect if they ring me and I tell them I can't cope with the phone (it is more the problem of the person I live with answering the call instead or in my absence). If they write to me as they did before, then fine. I don't trust ATOS anymore than I trust the DWP or the Work Programme. Not one of these organisations can be trusted.

Should anyone inadvertently answer an unwanted call from Atos; either ask them to send a letter cos you can't cope with/get confused by/don't remember phone calls or deny you're Mr/Ms XXXXXX. After a couple of attempts they'll give up and write.

 

Well if they have my phone number via the dwp then there's nothing I can do about it. If they cause me grief I will not be happy.

I imagine that they will most likely take a dim view of anyone trying any of the above and just stop your benefits.

I didn't think you were under any legal obligation to give out your phone number?

 

are you asking or telling me?

You are under no obligation to give ATOS your phone number. If they contact you on the number you gave the DWP you are perfectly entitled to refuse to speak to them - you don't even have to admit that it's you.

I'm sure they'd love that - instant reason to suspend payment.

 

But I'm more concerned about them speaking to the person I live with who doesn't know I'm dealing with ATOS. I would, for personal reasons, rather keep it that way. I can't control when atos would ring or what they would say and I don't want a load of grief as a result.

Could put on the form in the any other info section to contact you by mail only? They never phoned me till I contacted them by phone.

Did the DWP already have your phone number?

 

Are you allowed to refuse this info?

I have to send my ESA50 form in today, but I haven't answered the question asking for my phone number because I don't want them to ring me. I don't deal with telephones very well and this is shared accomodation where I would rather keep the fact I deal with ATOS secret (as is my right, surely). Given these people could ring any day after recieving the form from 9am-8pm this is unacceptable to me.

Unfortunately the DWP has my phone number from a previous JSA claim. I can't really do anything about that so it may well be that ATOS has the number anyway. Is there anything I can do to insist they write to me?

Their excuse is that they're busy with everyone else and can't fit me in. Right, I told them when they made the appointments that I can't make them without difficulty.

As i suspect you know, this is complete balderdash. These organisations really are trying it on these days. It's their job to fit you in according to your needs. They are there to serve US. We are not there to line their pockets.

didn't really appreciate being phoned at that time (never got the name of the caller, but he did ask how my job was going, and asked if my contract had been renewed, which sadly it hasn't).

They're calling because they want the payment for helping you get that job (whether they actually did or not means nothing to them). Tell them nothing except to get stuffed.

My JSA adviser has told me that it's either going to be Remploy or the Work Programme come March (at the latest). Frankly I don't really see much difference. it's all the same old gravy train. I self referred, while on ESA, to Remploy in Bristol. I went there twice. I wasn't terribly impressed. I told them that one of my interests was music (the jc love that) and they recommended i apply to HMV (they weren't explicitly recruiting either). Even though the WP is supposed to find suitable jobs for people (hence it's payment methodology), Remploy didn't care.

 

I'd recommend speaking to your GP about it, but if they're anything like mine it won't get you very far. Doctors don't really seem at all interested in understanding how the welfare system treats people and how it fails them.

They are supposed to be finding people work that they would like to do. That's why the payment method relies on the client staying in work for a long period.

As i'm with britains worst bank, santander, I can assume that such things aren't going to be compatible.