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    • They did reply to my defence stating it would fail and enclosed copies of NOA, DN Term letter and account statements. All copies of T&C's that could be reconstructions and the IP address on there resolves to the town where MBNA offices are, not my location
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    • In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us] 1 defendant   Which Court have you received the claim from ? County Court Business Centre, Northampton   Name of the Claimant ? LC Asset 2 S.A R.L   Date of issue – . 28/04/23   Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for –    (1) The Claimant ('C') claims the whole of the outstanding balance due and payable under an agreement referenced xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and opened effective from xx/xx/2017. The agreement is regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 ('CCA'), was signed by the Defendant ('D') and from which credit was extended to D.   (2) D failed to comply with a Default Notice served pursuant to s87 (1) CCA and by xx/xx/2022 a default was recorded.   (3) As at xx/xx/2022 the Defendant owed MBNA LTD the sum of 12,xxx.xx. By an agreement in writing the benefit of the debt has been legally assigned to C effective xx/xx/2022 and made regular upon C serving a Notice of Assignment upon D shortly thereafter.   (4) And C claims- 1. 12,xxx.xx 2. Interest pursuant to Section 69 County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from xx/01/2023 to xx/04/2023 of 2xx.xx and thereafter at a daily rate of 2.52 to date of judgement or sooner payment. Date xx/xx/2023   What is the total value of the claim? 12k   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Yes   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? N/A Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes, but amount differs slightly   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. DP issued claim   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Not that I recall...   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Not that I recall...   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Yes   Why did you cease payments? Loss of employment main cause   What was the date of your last payment? Early 2021   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No   -----------------------------------
    • Hello CAG Team, I'm adding the contents of the claim to this thread, but wanted to open the thread with an urgent question: Do I have to supply a WS for a claim with a court date that states " at the hearing the court will consider allocation and, time permitting, give an early neutral evaluation of the case" ? letter is an N24 General Form of Judgement or Order, if so, then I've messed up again. Court date 25 May 2024 The letter from court does not state (like the other claims I have) that I must provide WS within 28 days.. BUT I have recently received a WS from Link for it! making me think I do need to!??
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Hi guys,

 

I recently went to check out a martial arts school and subsequently signed a 12 month credit agreement to join them. With this I pay £45 a month to have unlimited classes a 'free' suit, license, gradings and insurance.

 

A couple of days after signing this I read it properly and also investigated the club/trainer a bit more and decided I really didn't want anything to do with it.

 

I phoned the guy up and emailed him to explain my reasons and he's saying that yes I can cancel but they will still charge me one month (£45) plus £35 for the 'free' suit that they gave me.

 

I have literally attended one 45 minute class and let them know straight away that I was cancelling so I don't think it's fair for them to charge me £80 for this.

 

I have worn the suit once and am perfectly happy to return it, I realise that they might not be happy that they're out of pocket for the suit but it was definately advertised as a free suit with no disclaimers.

 

When I filled out the credit agreement I also completed a direct debit form, are they whithin their rights to take the money from me as I thought there was a 14 day cooling off period with any credit agreement?

 

Any help appreciated :)

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It's not a credit agreement as they are not lending you anything and I don't think there's any cooling off period - the onus is on you to read before you sign. I expect the 'free suit' was conditional on signing up for 12 months (did it mention the suit in the contract?).

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It's not a credit agreement as they are not lending you anything and I don't think there's any cooling off period - the onus is on you to read before you sign. I expect the 'free suit' was conditional on signing up for 12 months (did it mention the suit in the contract?).

 

Yep unfortunately it is a credit agreement hence why i'm not happy to have it.

 

It is provided by bmac, an 'OFT licenced credit broker' with the 'credit amount' being £540 which I pay off at £45/month.

 

It bears all the same hallmarks of the rest of the nasty credit agreements you get such as a £15 penalty plus admin charge for a missed payment as well as the threat of county court action for non payment.

 

There is a big banner at the top saying that 'The Credit Consumer Act 1974 covers this agreement' as well.

 

Reading further into it the uniform is covered by the following disclaimers:

 

1. Upon the acceptance of membership by a 'new' and previously unregistered applicant. Any equipment provided FREE through a package deal SHALL REMAIN the property of the B.M.A.C until such time as a renewal of membership has been recieved, processed and approved against which the full costs shall be payable.

 

2. All equipment MUST be maintained in a clean and serviceable condition and must NOT be disposed of in anyway without consent of the B.M.A.C.

 

3. Equipment MUST be returned to the B.M.A.C. together with any or all outstanding payments due under this agreement, at any time that this membership agreement is settled or terminated.

 

All thats saying to my eyes is that once i've paid a full yearI get to keep the suit but until then it is their property which is fine and dandy with me!

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I think i'm screwed because under the consumer credit act the cooling off period does not apply if the credit agreement was signed at their premises which it was :(

 

I can't believe i've been stupid enough to sign a twelve month credit agreement to pay them £45 a month which I now can't get out of as there's no way i'm going to go back and use the school now i've found out a little more about it :mad:

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Unfortunate, and I'm not having a go here or a "neh neh" moment, but this really does emphasise the best form of consumer protection being education (and I keep saying this until I am blue in the face but no-one ever listens...).

ALWAYS make sure you know what you are getting. Do some research, never sign there and then, and get anything said to you in writing (by someone authorised to say such things).

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Unfortunate, and I'm not having a go here or a "neh neh" moment, but this really does emphasise the best form of consumer protection being education (and I keep saying this until I am blue in the face but no-one ever listens...).

ALWAYS make sure you know what you are getting. Do some research, never sign there and then, and get anything said to you in writing (by someone authorised to say such things).

 

I know I feel like a complete idiot. It's quite unusual for me to get caught out by something like this but I think the fact that I had just come out of an intensive training/introduction session and the guy was talking to me about martial arts (something I get quite caught up in) whilst his wife was getting me to sign this form meant I didn't pay it enough heed, also at no time did she say 'this is a credit agreement, are you happy to sign it?'

 

I've also never heard of or seen a martial arts school being run in this way so wasn't expecting it!

 

I am extremely p*ssed off that they run it this way because it can often take a good few weeks of training with a particular club before you decide whether you want to join them long term or not.

 

Overall I can see this costing me £540 for absolutely nothing which is a massive amount of money for me to lose :mad:

 

Actually perhaps it's some twisted form of karma as i've just recieved back £500 odd in bank charges!

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Are they a member of a governing body? My lads have been involved in various martial arts and clubs and we've never had a credit agreement, just paid weekly or monthly by DD (hence my earlier post) sounds like sharp practice to me :(

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Are they a member of a governing body? My lads have been involved in various martial arts and clubs and we've never had a credit agreement, just paid weekly or monthly by DD (hence my earlier post) sounds like sharp practice to me :(

 

Well this is part of the problem, I thought they were members of the ITF which I would have been happy with but when I investigated further and tried to find some officially recognised governing body it turns out they are governed by some organisation which has been made up by the guy that runs this school and also it appears that his 8th dan black belt was awarded by this governing body i.e. him!!

 

Master Davies Black Belt Schools , Freephone 0800 073 0297

 

Also he carries out gradings and awards belts himself which essentially means they mean nothing to the rest of the Tae Kwon Do world and are not transferable to other clubs or useable in competitions :Cry:

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Check the agreement is set out as described in the Consumer Credit Act 1974. Inparticular the signiture boxes. If the wording is not exactly printed within the boxes it would be unenforcable.

 

I'm tempted to take the form to the Citizens Advice Bureau or I might pay a solicitor to look over it as i'm willing to do everything whithin my means to get out of this.

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Overall I can see this costing me £540 for absolutely nothing which is a massive amount of money for me to lose :mad:

 

What happened to only paying one month + £35? That didn't sound as bad.

Post by me are intended as a discussion of the issues involved, as these are of general interest to me and others on the forum. Although it is hoped such discussion will be of use to readers, before exposing yourself to risk of loss you should not rely on any principles discussed without confirming the situation with a qualified person.

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What happened to only paying one month + £35? That didn't sound as bad.

 

He said on the phone that I would be able to do that and i've been trying to get him to confirm by email since. He hasn't replied although i've recieved unrelated emails from him so I would say that he's definately got the messages.

 

I just have a funny feeling that it's not going to pan out that way :(

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Sorry, been offline for a few days.

 

I went up to chat to the guy a few days ago and voiced my concerns over the club and the agreement.

 

He stated that as long as I have reasonable grounds for cancelling (i.e. moving away) then he doesn't have a problem with that and it doesn't incur any charges.

 

I've decided to cut my losses and use the school for a few months to get my money's worth i.e. if I quit now it would cost me £80 for nothing or I could pay £90 over two months and have two months training.

 

I also found out that they are in some way affiliated with WTF who are a bona-fida governing body although I think they just follow a similar syllabus rather than being fully affiliated and accredited.

 

I also got advice from a well known and trusted guy who runs his own Tae Kwon Do school on this particular guy/school in Bristol and he said that the instructor really knows his stuff and is good at what he does but the school and the way it's run is a bit dodgy.

 

The impression I now get is that the instructor is a time served martial artist who is a fully qualified and competent instructor who is trying to go it on his own but is taking a slightly shady approach.

 

So all in all some good and bad things learnt mainly that I should take anything away with me before signing to have a good read at home!

 

Edit: I don't want to jump to conclusions but I wouldn't be surprised if BMAC and the doctorate are mere fantasies!

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