Bank Charges Consumer Charter

[jules1973]

I agree with Perseus, it needs tweaking.

[muggyno1]

I'll ponder it.

 

Thanks caro, the more people thinking about this the better.

[caro]

I think you may have missed this. http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general/110322-bank-charges-consumer-charter.html

 

Zoot did post earlier that comments up to 4th August had been forwarded to the relevant parties.

[muggyno1]

Hi Perseus,

 

You have obviously put a lot of thought and effort into this, It deserves to e rewarded with some action.

[Perseus]

Its a big deal - a monumental test case for 100s of thousands of bank and credit customers with the penalty clause being tested too.

As many have said, we need a combined effort, but one that is strong, accurate, factual and professional.

That's enough reward for us all!

 

Thanks muggy!

[Perseus]

I think you may have missed this. http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general/110322-bank-charges-consumer-charter.html

 

Zoot did post earlier that comments up to 4th August had been forwarded to the relevant parties.

And no-one posted up any comments regarding content prior to that date?

[muggyno1]

And no-one posted up any comments regarding content prior to that date?

 

I certainly did, Perseus, as I think did many others. Mine were certainly ignored as they questioned the £5 charge and the six year 'limit' amongst other things.

[patrickq1]

thats what i meant its the banks trojan horse thanks for the correction muggy lol the dissemination by caro is about right even though i would like to see the data protection in their and to be classed as a contract or terms only .taxman judge and inland revenue and other goverment authorities ive had my say by the way i am not bickering with anyone everyones imput is invaluable and helpful on this subject of the charter

[muggyno1]

Hi Patrick,

 

Keep up the good work.

[patrickq1]

i am just wondering how many DEFAULTS have been registered in the UK by Banks & CRA companies...particuraly on the DeFAULTS not being processed lawfully...because i am writing to my MP plus another MP who i know absolutely hates this type of action and considers it underhand and it forces the Backstreet Money lenders to come in and Profit from others misery anyone any idea s how to collate this data

[patrickq1]

one of the main reasons for this enquiry is to try to get a goverment AUDIT into the dealings between the DCA and their relationship with the Banks.i beleive this is a valid point because we have all seen time and time again that they the (dca /bank oand other)have been acting with absolute impunity against the legal and due process of the law ..perhaps the NEW ICO investigation may have some results and i think this is partly because of groups like CAG and others have put some presure on them to start acting like they are supposed to,,To Police the Banks and others although we know their have been times when they have partly ignored some important issues that we presumed were important enough ,perhaps because of the overload on the ICO they could nt act quickly enough and gave some rushed advice.so i think if we all on CAG write to the NEW ICO Investigations enquiry with our thoughts...

said enough i just hope the MODS can come with sugestions where we all think some issues need to be addressed

[MacBoy]

patrickq1

i am just wondering how many DEFAULTS have been registered in the UK by Banks & CRA companies.

For Info - the Credit Reference Agencies do not register defaults - they merely make the data available to their subscribers.

 

Technical point, I know, but important to make the distinction.

 

Mac

[Destinyofsouls]

I see the charter is really doing well. Not been up that long but already nearly 4,500 have already signed it. It's looking really good. Nice to see everyone behind it. Just shows what you can do if you have some clout.

How many have sent the letter of to the MP's now? Have we reached 100 yet?

[patrickq1]

thanks macboy i aint to clever on the Technical point, I know, but important to make the distinction,but i think you have the jist of what was meant all this dca pca ppi pp oh i have a limited memory bank that shuts down after two hours then i recover about 80% but its the little bits i miss,probably the important bits but i will try to be more careful thanks mac i think i might have meant DCA and banks and other finance institutions

[patrickq1]

where can all this data be accessed mac any idea

[muggyno1]

I see the charter is really doing well. Not been up that long but already nearly 4,500 have already signed it. It's looking really good. Nice to see everyone behind it. Just shows what you can do if you have some clout.

How many have sent the letter of to the MP's now? Have we reached 100 yet?

 

Hi destiny,

 

None of the various petitions on this subject are doing well, surprise surprise. but this one has the most signatories.

[crfx250]

Hi destiny,

 

None of the various petitions on this subject are doing well, surprise surprise. but this one has the most signatories.

 

 

Surprise surprise...not now it dosn't. Ours is getting 200 signatures an hour

[midge61]

The Fool one is very clear and is aimed at getting the waiver lifted.

Make UK Banks Deal with Bank Charges - Online Petition

[TANZARELLI]

I'll not sign up to anything like this charter as it is and will be a bit annoyed if it gets put forward without some tweaking.

 

Perseus has made some valid points so far in this thread and I think some of these points should be taken into consideration.

 

My personal opinion is that a penalty charge is unlawful if the person levying it ie the bank makes a profit. This is undeniably what we have been fighting for over a number of years now. Banks can not make profit from charges we believe to be penalties. If we then turn around and say £5 is a fair maximum charge we are contradicting all that we believe in.

 

Banks will still be making 100%+ profit from a £5 charge we all know that and they would have disclosed before now if they could justify their costs.

 

My second point why I am not in agreement of this charter is because I am not happy being fleeced by the banks pre 6 years and I am working to get this back too. By signing up to this and for it to be submitted to whoever for discussion/comment or whatever the point is of this document (I call it a document as its not a charter IMHO more of a statement) I feel this would say to the banks we all agree to 6 year limitation periods being ok and that they have not been deliberately concealing their charging regime from us for x amount of years.

 

Noooooooooooooooooooooooo o

 

No no no no no is what I say and this is not meant to be a dig at anyone involved in its development, i'm sure you have had a busy day/week?.....

 

But this sort of thing should not be rushed into.

 

Tanz

 

P.S If I get a CAGbot message for this I will ROFLMAO as theres nothing wrong with it.....

Apart from spelling lol

[chezt]

Just wanna add that I won't be signing either for the reasons already pointed out on this thread. (I have signed others)

 

Excellent post Tanz btw - I think it more or less sums this up

[TANZARELLI]

Why thankyou chezt.

[moneyhelp]

I wont be signing either - I agree with Tanz on this.

[adamc6671]

The Fool one is very clear and is aimed at getting the waiver lifted.

Make UK Banks Deal with Bank Charges*-*Online Petition

 

 

Midge - I like this one - its clear,concise,unambiguous, does not pre-judge the issue,makes no offers to the banks, and seeks merely to get the waiver lifted by the FSA to force banks to continue handling claims, and to allow Court claims to continue. In simple terms, I like it! Many thanks for providing the link.

 

All the best - Adam

[TANZARELLI]

Midge - I like this one - its clear,concise,unambiguous, does not pre-judge the issue,makes no offers to the banks, and seeks merely to get the waiver lifted by the FSA to force banks to continue handling claims, and to allow Court claims to continue. In simple terms, I like it! Many thanks for providing the link.

 

All the best - Adam

 

It still suggests that we agree to the limitations act being 6 years I would argue it being not applicable to charges claims as the banks must have known and thats why they refuse to disclose.

[midge61]

Hi Tanz

i didn't read it like that I thought it was just stating that the FSA have no powers over this. The way I read the FSA statement is that the banks have agreed to NOT to count the year that the case will take towards the 6 year limitation.