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    • They did reply to my defence stating it would fail and enclosed copies of NOA, DN Term letter and account statements. All copies of T&C's that could be reconstructions and the IP address on there resolves to the town where MBNA offices are, not my location
    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
    • In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us] 1 defendant   Which Court have you received the claim from ? County Court Business Centre, Northampton   Name of the Claimant ? LC Asset 2 S.A R.L   Date of issue – . 28/04/23   Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for –    (1) The Claimant ('C') claims the whole of the outstanding balance due and payable under an agreement referenced xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and opened effective from xx/xx/2017. The agreement is regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 ('CCA'), was signed by the Defendant ('D') and from which credit was extended to D.   (2) D failed to comply with a Default Notice served pursuant to s87 (1) CCA and by xx/xx/2022 a default was recorded.   (3) As at xx/xx/2022 the Defendant owed MBNA LTD the sum of 12,xxx.xx. By an agreement in writing the benefit of the debt has been legally assigned to C effective xx/xx/2022 and made regular upon C serving a Notice of Assignment upon D shortly thereafter.   (4) And C claims- 1. 12,xxx.xx 2. Interest pursuant to Section 69 County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from xx/01/2023 to xx/04/2023 of 2xx.xx and thereafter at a daily rate of 2.52 to date of judgement or sooner payment. Date xx/xx/2023   What is the total value of the claim? 12k   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Yes   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? N/A Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes, but amount differs slightly   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. DP issued claim   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Not that I recall...   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Not that I recall...   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Yes   Why did you cease payments? Loss of employment main cause   What was the date of your last payment? Early 2021   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No   -----------------------------------
    • Hello CAG Team, I'm adding the contents of the claim to this thread, but wanted to open the thread with an urgent question: Do I have to supply a WS for a claim with a court date that states " at the hearing the court will consider allocation and, time permitting, give an early neutral evaluation of the case" ? letter is an N24 General Form of Judgement or Order, if so, then I've messed up again. Court date 25 May 2024 The letter from court does not state (like the other claims I have) that I must provide WS within 28 days.. BUT I have recently received a WS from Link for it! making me think I do need to!??
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Have more important things to think of then this bunch of idiots...my lovely mum lost her fight against cancer yesterday, may she rest in peace x

 

Sorry to hear about this DM.

 

It will be the usual generated rubbish letter BOS send out. Just file under bin.

 

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deffo file under bin.

 

DM i am sorry to hear about your mum. My grandad is currently having issues with cancer and has had for the past 4 years.

 

If you need someone to moan at let me know as i will be there to listen 4 you.

 

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Hi - I've updated my thread with the results of my own CCA issues against Sainsburys. No luck for me I'm afraid. I hope you have more luck than I've had!

Bank and credit card reclaims - £9,806

Sainsburys CCA non-compliance with FOS;

Natwest reclaim of £340 in progress;

Egg credit card reclaim in progress

 

 

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Ok, now I have a moral dilema, I've been making token payments to Sainsburys since last April, despite them only producing a copy application form and current T&C's in response to my CCA request. It got as far as Blair Oliver & Scott, who i've just ignored as they are a bunch of muppets.

 

Anyway, I have a default on my credit file for this account...now my moral dilema.... do I continue paying them the token payment each month or should I stop paying and hope that in 6 years it becomes statute barred? Had a stopped payments last year I would only have 5 years to wait now :D

 

My thinking is why should I be making them payments if they can't be bothered to produce the correct documentation, but by making token payments I'm keeping them off my back, i've not heard from them for months now (thats tempting fate now, i'll probably get a letter tomorrow!)

 

So....to pay or not to pay, that is the question?

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I would say stop payments as the tokens are not really getting you anywhere.

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I think I may cancel my standing order, Sainsburys are no longer adding interest and charges so the payments do make a small difference to the balance but no really enough to make any impact. This is quite a large debt and I do worry about the possibility of court and charging orders etc. Its taking the step to stop paying that i'm finding difficult. With my Goldfish account as soon as it was transferred to a DCA I stopped payments but I think because the Sainsbury's debt is still in house they are more likely to take action, of course I might be wrong!

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No sooner do I update this thread than I get a letter from Blair Oliver & Stupid, the same letter they sent me at the beginning of December saying my repayment arrangement is now due for renewal....eerrm no its not, I don't have a repayment programe. They state they note payments have been maintained in line with the existing agreement (which doesn't exist)!

 

I should contact their collections specialists (aka muppets) with details of my income and expenditure...yea right, like i'm going to do that then!

 

Oh how they make me laugh :D I ignored their previous letter and I shall ignore this one however I may well send them something along the lines of "hello, I am still waiting for a copy of my credit agreement which I requested 18 months ago and until I get it you can sod off"

 

I know this is obviously a computer generated letter but I do wish if they send letters they would at least get their facts right!

 

I think if I cease payments now I will be making a whole lot more trouble for myself so will keep the token payments going for the time being at least while I wait and see what they do next!

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Remember DM Sainsburys went all the way with me issued Courts papers then bottled it and wrote of over £10K.

 

They only had an application form.

 

They have defaulted me but as I have several other ones I am not to bothered.

 

I know when the defaults that I have no chance of removing drop of I will go about removing the Sainsburys one.

 

Bottom Line is I never want credit again!!!!

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We had a sainsburys loan and credit card, both were transferred to the muppets (ie Blair, Oliver & Scott), we were paing them an agreed sum, which we defaulted on and then ignored them - we now have 2 CCJ's which they got through really quickly within 6 weeks of the missed payments:mad:

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JNJL, did you CCA them? I sent a CCA reques to Sainsburys bank ages ago and all they have sent me is an application form and a current set of T&C's, rather like HAK in his post above. However I know its an application form and i've told them and Blair Oliver & Stupid so, that they haven't, as yet taken me to court for a debt of over £8K leads me to believe they know they probably wouldn't win. My credit limit was £7,600 so the remainder of the oustanding balance is interest and charges which should have ceased as soon as the account was in dispute following their inability to provide a copy of my CCA agreement.

 

I guess I'll probably continue with the token payments for now to keep them off my back and the balance is falling, albeit very very slowly!

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JNJL

 

U can appeal the ccjs.

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Well three months since my last letter from Blair Oliver & Stupid, and another one pops through the door today...am I surprised that it is identical to the ones I received in December and March, telling me my repayment plan (which I don't actually have!) is up for review and could I make sure I have details of my income and expenditure to hand when I call them....haha yea right course I'm going to ring you...not! I will ignore it as I have the last two and continue to make my token payments, wonder if I'll receive the same letter in September? If I do I suspect it will pop through the door as I am enjoying my well earned cruise around the Med...if one is waiting for me on my return, I shall just ignore it again :)

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lol Nice idea. Maybe u should remind them of the cca.

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Please remember the only stupid question is the one you dont ask so dont worry about asking the stupid questions.

 

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'cos I have 4 sainsbury's agreements to sort for my family.

 

Funny thing is, some of them are nowhere near the same in

design yet they were all taken out around the same time...

July through November 2004.

 

Tesco, Mint, MBNA even Barclay's, oh and Goldfish seem

relatively simple to analyse, but NOT Sainsbury's.

 

Seems that bloody grocer knew what he was at.

 

The more I read about them the more suspiscious I get.

 

Perhaps we need a separate subject area for them.

 

charlie*

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'cos I have 4 sainsbury's agreements to sort for my family.

 

Funny thing is, some of them are nowhere near the same in

design yet they were all taken out around the same time...

July through November 2004.

 

Tesco, Mint, MBNA even Barclay's, oh and Goldfish seem

relatively simple to analyse, but NOT Sainsbury's.

 

Seems that bloody grocer knew what he was at.

 

The more I read about them the more suspiscious I get.

 

Perhaps we need a separate subject area for them.

 

charlie*

 

 

i totlly agree

 

same with my brother

2005 agreement

not seen any like it on the forum

 

i suspect its made up by blair oliver and scott

 

any chance you can pm me the agreement minus personel details

 

appologise for the hijack but seems important and relevent

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I only got an application form, which they say is a CCA :rolleyes: however it is clearly an application form.

 

GM - I know I should remind them of the CCA, but while they are quiet I just leave them to send me out the same letter every 3 months...if they up the ante I will kindly remind them that I am still waiting for my copy agreement :)

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Received the usual 3 monthly reminder that my agreement is up for review today...they must realise I'm off on holiday soon and wanted to make sure I received it before I went...ah well..another one to be filed under N for no chance .. await the next one which by my reckoning should be here in December! I will continue with my token payments for the time being, but am seriously thinking of stopping them once I return from holiday, just to see what they do!

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I would have stopped them MONTHS ago.

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GM - I know I should stop them...but I'm a little afraid too..they have provided a copy application form which they say is a CCA, and which i say is an application form, but this is quite a large debt and I think they would have no hesitation in taking me to court for it, which is why I'm still making token payments...its just being brave enough to take that first step!

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well i have had a piece of paper with t&cs and a box for me to given my name addresss signature etc told that is a enforcable cca. Also c1 tried to tell loads of ppl a set of t&cs and application forms or mail drops are enforcable.

 

Bite the bullet.

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Time for an update...I had been paying Sainsbury's Bank £x per month for a couple of years now, interest and charges had ceased and a default is showing on my credit file. Today I received a letter from Cabot :( with an alleged notice of assignment. The letter states my existing payment arrangment with Sainsburys must now be paid to them...yea right! I've immediately cancelled said direct debit and have no intention of paying Cabot any pennies!

 

I sent a CCA to Sainsburys almost 3 years ago..they provided a copy of application form and a load of T&C's from various dates. I had ongoing discussions with them that they did not provide the correct documentation, they obviously stated that they had. The agreement they have sent does show a credit limit, my signature and their signature, BUT NO APR OR INTEREST RATES.

 

So..what do I do..do I now send a CCA to Cabot, or should I advise them that I sent a CCA to Sainsburys 3 years ago and as they have not provided the correct documentation the account is in dispute and should not have been sold to Cabot?

 

My thinking is that if Sainsburys thought they had the proper documentation in place they would have instigated court proceedings, as the debt is over £8K, that they have sold it off to Cabot makes me think they know it is unforceable.

 

Any help would be much appreciated. I have had dealing with Cabot before over an old goldfish account which they could not provide an agreement for, so know how persistant they can be.

 

I presume that as there is already a default showing from Sainsburys, Cabot cannot amend the date or add another one?

 

I will try and get the agreement(?) and T&C's scanned and posted up over the weekend.

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Hope this works! Copy of CCA/application/agreement from Sainsburys.

 

http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx143/DuffersMum/Sainsburys/003-1.jpg

 

Nothing on the back, they sent seperate T&C's which were downloaded by the looks of it, I will add these tomorrow.

 

Any thoughts on whether enforceable would be much appreciated.

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The following is a link to my thread about Sainsbury's Bank, for some reason its in the General Debt Section and it should really be under DCA's now.

 

Advice Please - Sainsburys Bank - Page 12 - The Consumer Forums

 

Briefly was paying Sainsbury's token £x per month for the past couple of years, I sent a CCA, they sent what I think is an application form, they says its an agreement. I've just managed to get a copy of what they sent loaded up via photobucket:-

 

Link removed...prying eyes from guests might give them clues to my identity, thank you to all who have given their opinions, will post up link again at some point in the future, if required.

 

 

This account has now been bought by Cabot :( who i've had dealings with in the past with an old goldfish account which they couldn't provide a CCA on.

 

My question on my original thread was do I just advise Cabot that I sent a CCA to Sainsburys and its still outstanding so account is in dispute, or should I actually CCA Cabot now?

 

Many thanks :)

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