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    • Hello,

      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

      The next day, 18/1/24 noticed amber engine warning light on dashboard , immediately phoned BMW aftercare team to ask for it to be investigated asap at nearest garage to me. After 15 mins on hold was told only their 5 service centres across the UK can deal with car issues with earliest date for inspection in March ! Said I’m not happy with that given what sales team advised or driving car. Told an amber warning light only advisory so to drive with caution and call back when light goes red.

      I’m not happy to do this, drive the car or with the after care experience (a sign of further stresses to come) so want a refund and to return the car asap.

      Please can you advise what I need to do today to get this done. 
       

      Many thanks 
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    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
      Also, we will be to demonstrate to the judge that we are fair-minded and that we don't mind bringing everything to the attention of the judge even if it is against our own interests.
      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

      OT APPROVED, 365MC637, FAROOQ, EVRi, 12.07.23 (BRENT) - J v4.pdf
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In order to support and advise my daughter I would be interested in any advice regarding Lloys TSB's current delay tactics.

We initiated the claim in March. After no response from them we entered a claim in the court recovery service. They then waited until the last day of their time to respond, and then contested the claim. They then were given extra time in which to lodge their defence, and again waited until the last day to do that. Their defence seems to be a standard response which they must be lodging in all cases.

Our case has now been re-allocated to a local court and we have received the first notification of this.

As the court has asked if the matter could not still at this stage be settled without a court hearing, we have written to Lloyds TSB to propose a comprimise which would avoid a further burden on the courts system.

ie: if they agree to promptly meet the claim for penalty charges in full, we will not pursue the interest on the amount, or the costs incurred to date.

Either way they choose to go I think we will be quite happy.

a) if they settle, then all the delay and inconvenience is finished.

b) If they choose to continue, then at least the court will see that WE have tried to be reasonable with Lloyds TSB, and reach a comprimise agreement.

 

The letter will of course form part of our court bundle when that day comes. We have also stated that this comprimise offer is not subject to any further offers or negotiation; it must be either accepted.... or the court procedings go ahead as scheduled.

 

Have others done this or something similar? What has been your experience?

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Hi Determination, must point out I am no expert but am going through a claim like yourself. You mention that your case has been transfered, are they doing away with the AQ as in here ?http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general/80091-your-court-dispensing-allocation.html?highlight=dispensing+with+aq

 

If so then it guides you through what you could do and part way down the page it points you here

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/hsbc-bank/78873-new-after-28-days.html#post695176

where you will find some example of "nudge letters" to the solicitors (you need to change the solicitor details etc) which is what I have done and will include in my bundle should it come to that.

 

This will show as you suggest that you are doing your bit to try and resolve the claim "out of court". Personally I would not give Lloyds any "get out" why should you settle for less, they would not in your position.

 

Good Luck anyway press on.

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It has been transferred to our local court from the Online centre because Lloyds TSB "contest" the claim. I am not sure at what point these AQ's are sent. Do you know? Are the sent when the claim is first lodged, or when the court sets a date for a hearing? Thanks for the link. I am looking at it now.

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It has been transferred to our local court from the Online centre because Lloyds TSB "contest" the claim. I am not sure at what point these AQ's are sent. Do you know? Are the sent when the claim is first lodged, or when the court sets a date for a hearing? Thanks for the link. I am looking at it now.

 

Well when it's transferred from MCOL you should get a "Transfer of Proceedings" notice from them, in my case there was an order attached that stated that AQ were to be dispensed with unless the court of transfer requested one. So if you have had the notice of transfer and no order attached dispensing with the AQ I believe the court you are transfered to will send you one in due course. If still waiting for formal notification I would hold fast until it arrives. It should also include Lloyds defence attached so you know where they are coming from. Best check it against other posted here abouts or ask one of the more learned people here if it is their normal defence etc.

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i settled for a lesser amount of £800 instead of £1200, my charges without interest were £795 so i wrote to sc&m saying if they pay up now i will accept £800, otherwise me and my solicitor will take them to court and claim that amount including interest, within about 7 days they paid up , they never told me they where paying up just credited my account so lucky i check my ltsb account every day otherwise i would'nt have known.:grin:

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To be honest you have already given them plenty of opportunity to settle prior to iossuing a court claim against them - they have chosen not to and to try and deter you from claiming back what is yours by issuing standard denials.

 

Why should you now let them off the further costs that you have incurred. If you stick to your timelines and the guidance on this site you will get ALL your money back and they will not feel that they have had a mini victory.

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Yes I absolutely agree with what you say. The problem being for me now id that having worn my daughters down, I am now handling three concurrent cases, and it's a fair old task. I many ways I hope that they refuse our comprimise offer......because it will be even more evidence for the eventual court case. I guess you just have to go with your instincts in this. But the advice is always very welcome.

Cheers

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  • 2 weeks later...

Just received a settlement for the FULL amount plus court costs plus interest!!! ( over £2,000 ) They sent two letters on the same day.

 

1st said that they will be defending the case in court.

 

2nd said that "without prejudice" they offer to refund the full amount + interest + court costs.

 

I think the banks are slowly and reluctantly.....starting to understand that the courts are getting sick to death of them.

 

Determination

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