Civil Enforcement Ltd (again!)

[letshelp]

Montythemole,

 

You are taking them far too seriously, you do realise that you are dealing with a [problem], don't you?

If the lease company or the fleet manager are that worried let THEM pay, then the whole thing will go away.

regards

[C_Rage]

Thanks all.. I think i will ignore for now then.. See if anything else crops up.

 

Maybe i'll go brick up the car park instead...

[montythemole]

Thanks all.. I think i will ignore for now then.. See if anything else crops up.

 

Maybe i'll go brick up the car park instead...

I am very close to printing off and laminating some warnings to attach, particularly given the 24hr operation unlike everything else in MK.

[Blagton]

Thanks all.. I think i will ignore for now then.. See if anything else crops up.

 

By ignoring you can be sure that the you will be sent the regular set of letters over several months so you can take pleasure in the fact you are doing your bit for the postmen and women of Royal Mail.

 

Blagton.

[we are angry]

Hi

My husband has just had a letter from these nasty people saying that he had parked in a car park in our town on the 3rd of january when we was in our car in another town shopping . Another thing he has actually never even taken his car in the named car park. They spelt our name wrong and named the car park wrongly. But of cause had correct car details. How can they keep getting away with this ,is there noone that can put a stop to them. It seems like its been going on for years,it is so wrong. Should we report this to the police?

thanks

[letshelp]

,is there noone that can put a stop to them.

 

Ignoring them and passing the word around not to pay is the best way to put them out of business.

 

It seems like its been going on for years,it is so wrong. Should we report this to the police?

 

Cops will not be interested as it is a civil matter. They wont be interested in the threatening letters either.

 

thanks

regards

[nick20045]

Hi

My husband has just had a letter from these nasty people saying that he had parked in a car park in our town on the 3rd of january when we was in our car in another town shopping . Another thing he has actually never even taken his car in the named car park. They spelt our name wrong and named the car park wrongly. But of cause had correct car details. How can they keep getting away with this ,is there noone that can put a stop to them. It seems like its been going on for years,it is so wrong. Should we report this to the police?

thanks

Or......... you can send them this which is a copy (with my personal details removed). Worked for me as got a letter back saying "Cancelled". Besides it will bring to their attention how stupid they are:

 

 

Mr Gary Wayne

Civil Enforcement Ltd

Horton House

Exchange Flags

Liverpool

L2 3PF

 

Dear Mr Wayne,

 

I refer to your letter dated xx/xx/2010 bearing the reference PCN xxxxxxxxxx.

 

It seems to me that you got my details from DVLA and I confirm I am the keeper of the vehicle in question. Although I am the registered keeper of said vehicle I believe you need to take this matter up with the driver concerned.

 

Incidentally, (as I absolutely deny your claim that the amount claimed, or indeed any amount at all is due from me), I note that you have declared a “Parking Contravention Enforcement Notice” and issued a “PCN”. (A PCN can only be issued by a legal Authority such as The Police or Council Traffic Wardens and there are rules and regulations attached to make a PCN legal). Therefore, whilst reserving the right to report you to the relevant authorities, can you please advise as to why you are trying to impersonate either a police officer or a traffic warden? I believe you do know there are severe penalties for impersonating such an officer.

 

I now draw to your attention the following mistakes in your, alleged PCN:

List here the mistakes ( in your case wrong surname and wrongly named car park).

 

I take it you know that if this had been a PCN issued by a traffic warden, having such two big mistakes in it would be unenforceable in a Court of Law.

 

I now bring to your attention that, on your invoice you state, and I quote “Failure to pay the amount within 28 days of the issue date, will result in Civil Enforcement Ltd forwarding your account to a debt recovery agency and you will incur additional charges”.

 

 

You are to note that I do not in any form whatsoever (and especially considering that I severely dispute owing you any monies) give you any authority to pass on my details to any DCA (debt recovery agency). If you do so you will be in breach of the OFT Guidelines and breach of the Data Protection Act and I will report you to the appropriate departments and take whatever action I deem fit against your company. The OFT guidelines namely 2.8 (a) (b) (f), (i), and (k) apply. (Being 2.8 (a) and (b) have already been breached). Also in order to pass my information to any third party you need my explicit authority which I firmly deny giving you. Passing my data to a third party without the data subjects authority is in severe breach of the Data Protection Act 1998. Furthermore: "I note that there is only an implied license under English Common Law for certain people to visit me on my property without express permission; the postman and people asking for directions etc (Armstrong v. Sheppard and Short Ltd [1959] 2 Q.B. per Lord Evershed M.R.).

 

Take note, I revoke license under English Common Law for you, or any of your representatives to visit me at my property and if you do so without my permission, you will then be liable to damages for a tort of trespass. You would also be conspiring in a trespass if you sent someone to visit me nevertheless. Any trespassers you attempt to send therefore will be dealt with accordingly."

 

In the meantime, should you continue to write to me and not the driver in question, you are requested to note the following:

 

I charge as follows:

Every letter read - £9

Every letter written - £14

 

Hence, should you decide to write to me please enclose a cheque, payable to my name, for the sum of £23 (to cover the “read charge” and the “reply charge”). Furthermore, writing to me, (and not the driver in question) cofirms you explicity agree to agree to the above charges and you have entered into a Contractual agreement with me to pay said charges. Failure to send any cheques to cover my costs will result in no reply whatsoever to any of your correspondence". (This being that I fail to see why I should have to pay for recorded letters, time spent reading/answering letters, driving to the post office costs, paper, ink, envelopes, electricity used etc. etc. and should not be entitled to recover costs especially considering I do not owe your company anything). Note: I am sure that you will agree that my charges are reasonable.

 

Finally, should you break the Law or any of the OFT guidelines (especially as mentioned above) then I reserve the right to take whatever legal action is available to me against your company.

 

Yours sincerely

 

 

 

XXXXXXXX (Name)

Attached: Photo of the name of the street considering you cannot get that simple information right in the first place.

[montythemole]

Montythemole,

 

You are taking them far too seriously, you do realise that you are dealing with a [problem], don't you?

If the lease company or the fleet manager are that worried let THEM pay, then the whole thing will go away.

regards

 

Yeah not sure they will, but they are getting arsey with me over it as it less hassle to them if I pay.

 

Will do a letter I think to keep them relaxed.

[letshelp]

Yeah not sure they will, but they are getting arsey with me over it as it less hassle to them if I pay.

 

Will do a letter I think to keep them relaxed.

You will just encourage them to increase the hassle level.

The default advice on this site is NOT to engage them no matter how tempting.

I am sure there is a charity more worthy of your money than paying for a [problem].

Remember, only mugs pay.

regards

[cabbagebike]

Just updating: It's been silent for a quarter of the year now Hope this helps all who were like me in the beginning

 

Latest update.... well... not much of one really: Still silent

 

To anyone who's still thinking of paying, just have a look at my past posts on here (and all the others as well ).

 

I took a bit of persuading at first but there's only one word of advice you'll need: Ignore

Edited January 13, 2010 by cabbagebike
Typing error

[BigIan279]

@ nick20045.......... Impressive letter

[patdavies]

Except that Police and Traffic Wardens cannot issue PCNs and even CEO issued PCNs do not go to a court of law.

 

The letter is just as muddled in its facts as CEL.

[nick20045]

Except that Police and Traffic Wardens cannot issue PCNs and even CEO issued PCNs do not go to a court of law.

 

The letter is just as muddled in its facts as CEL.

I see your comment is more muddled then my letter. Polce and Traffic Wardens cannot issue PCNs?????? They what do they put in that lovely plastic wallet that they attach to your windscreen?

 

"Even CEO issued PCNs do not go to a court"? So a policeman and a traffic warden cannot issue a pcn but according to your statement a CEO can?

 

And how do the council enforce a PCN? They come knocking on your door asking for payment? Or do they apply to the court for an order and if that fails they apply to the court for a warrant of execution and then get court bailiffs to enforce.

 

Lastly remember that Gary Wayne aint the "brightest of shillings" either.

[Stevepax]

If he was never there, then they will not have a photo or any other evidence to prove he was. Therefore how could they possibly prosecute you ?

 

 

 

Hi

My husband has just had a letter from these nasty people saying that he had parked in a car park in our town on the 3rd of january when we was in our car in another town shopping . Another thing he has actually never even taken his car in the named car park. They spelt our name wrong and named the car park wrongly. But of cause had correct car details. How can they keep getting away with this ,is there noone that can put a stop to them. It seems like its been going on for years,it is so wrong. Should we report this to the police?

thanks

[Stevepax]

I have been ignoring them for a while after sending a letter from my company stating that they would have to take it up with the driver etc

My boss has lost his bottle and quite rightly, sent them a letter giving my details and address. Its fair enough that he does not want to risk getting the company embroiled in any kind of dispute.

I take it that even though they now have my details I should continue to sit tight and ignore them, its so tempting to pay the £75 and make it go away.

I suppose thats what they want !

[Blagton]

I take it that even though they now have my details I should continue to sit tight and ignore them, its so tempting to pay the £75 and make it go away.

I suppose thats what they want !

 

How about you tell them I was driving and send me the £75 ?

 

Would you do that ?

 

Blagton.

[letshelp]

How about you tell them I was driving and send me the £75 ?

 

Would you do that ?

 

Blagton.

I'll do it for £50, sorry Blagton but business is business.

regards

[patdavies]

I see your comment is more muddled then my letter. Polce and Traffic Wardens cannot issue PCNs?????? They what do they put in that lovely plastic wallet that they attach to your windscreen?

FPN or ECN, both enforced by Magistrates' Courts as criminal matters. These are now only used where de-criminalised parking enforcement is NOT in place

 

"Even CEO issued PCNs do not go to a court"? So a policeman and a traffic warden cannot issue a pcn but according to your statement a CEO can?

Absolutely correct

 

And how do the council enforce a PCN? They come knocking on your door asking for payment? Or do they apply to the court for an order and if that fails they apply to the court for a warrant of execution and then get court bailiffs to enforce

. They apply to the TEC at Northampton. This is co-located with the County Court, but is not in itself a court

 

If you are going to quote law at PPCs, it helps if you are correct in matters of fact.

[nick20045]

 

If you are going to quote law at PPCs, it helps if you are correct in matters of fact.

I humbly bow considering my mistakes but I think I am a bit "brighter then Mr Wayne" :D:D

[Stevepax]

Keep going boys! I may bite if the price is right.

 

 

I'll do it for £50, sorry Blagton but business is business.

regards

[lamma]

49.50

[Happy Nurse]

hi,

I too have parked by the hub and received one of the letters. When I parked there the signage was totally different to what it is now, infact there was no signage, as I searched for it! I wrote a letter in response and received my second threatening letter of legal action. This site has been more than helpful and I will now sit tight.

I intend to call the council and trading standards as its disgusting.

Anyone had any responses from anywhere?

[Supababe30]

I did ring them initially as they've put me parking in Silbury when infact I was parked in Avebury, parked there before and displayed a scratch card. I have rung the Council as I think they should be responsible because there map on the Internet still shows it as Council, they hold no responsibility. I won't be ringing the car people again but have just received my second bill, will be returning to the company "not known at this address", I still own the house but don't live there so technically I'm not lying

[nick20045]

Anyone had any responses from anywhere?

Yes. A friend of a friend of my nephew (who is the playboy of his headmasters wife at college) who heard it from his mother........

 

Apparently the pigeon that was to deliver my response got lost. Seems the GPS it was wearing gave wrong directions.

 

Ignore them. Alternatively, send Gary Wayne a letter:

 

Dear Gary

 

Seeing how you are so desperate here is a pair of underwear I was going to throw out. Sending this with love so you can remember me.

 

Now get lost. If you want money then go and work for it like us decent people do and not try to [problem] it off people.

 

Loveingly yours

 

Happy Nurse

[nick20045]

I was parked in Avebury, parked there before and displayed a scratch card.

What type of scratch card was it? Scratch Cards | Play Online £100 Free... :D

so technically I'm not lying

You have honestly made my day. A female that uses the words "Technically I'm not lying". When has that ever bothered a female? Thought they had removed cooking from school lessons and it was in the curriculum at school on how to lie professionally and convincingly. :D:D