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    • Hobnail you don't know Elms too well yet. I am surprised that they got as close as they did to adding up to 30. I think the poor dears get confused because most other letters they send out are to give 28 days notice. They even  have difficulty with their two times table and often consult with the char lady to confirm that 2 plus 2 equals 4.  Just act on the notion that they are total numpties and you won't be far out.
    • To carry on from the above post it may be helpful to go through their WS using their numbers. 9] motorists do NOT accept the contract when entering the land. First they have to read it and understand it and then they realise that a] "No stopping" is prohibitive and cannot offer a contract. b] the signs around the bus stop do not mention who issued the No Stopping signs so it could not have been issued by VCS since the IPC CoP states that their signs should include the IPC logo and the creditor be identified.  10]There is no mention of £100 charge for breaching the No stopping request or if there is it is far too small to read even for a pedestrian. 11] no matter how often VCS say it, it is NOT a contractual clause   22]" the claimant has given the Defendant its contractual licence to enter the site". No it hasn't. This is a road leading to the airport. All sorts of people are going to the airport-travellers, taxis, fuel bowsers, airport staff, companies delivering food and drink for each aircraft, air traffic controllers, buses. It is absolutely ridiculous to attribute VCS wth any sort of permissions. The land owners yes, but not VCS . There can be no sort of analogy between a car park and a major thoroughfare where VCS have no place as it is not relevant land.   23] there can be no contract as there is no offer only a prohibition. And it is not relevant land no matter how Mr Walli attempts to prove otherwise. 25] VCS may have won a few times but none quoted was on an airport covered by the RTA and its own Byelaws. They also have lost more cases than they have won using their prohibitive signs. 26] First one has to consider if there is a contract. Is it relevant land? No. Does a valid contract exist betweer VCS and Peel? NO.  27] the signage at the bus stop may show the conditions ie  no stopping, and restricted zone but not the terms ie is there a charge for stopping and who is the creditor. The last section of the sign is illegible  29] already stated that a WS between VCS and peel is not a valid document 31] it will need more than the Claimants feather to outweigh the case against the Defendant no matter who was driving. 32] there is no law of agency involved. This is not a case of employer/employedd relationship. VCS are muddying the waters because they have no way of transferring the driver's liability to the keeper 33] this a red herring. There is no list of highways at all  on the Highways act 1980 so this is a deliberate strategy to debunk the fact that this road is not relevant land. VCS are put to strict proof that it is relevant land not covered by the Road Traffic Act nor by Byelaws. 34] there ican be no comparison between a railway station and an airport. Totally fatuous analogy.  35] yes the landowners can bring in their own terms but what the cannot do is overrule Byelaws and the Road Traffic Act. 39] surely the paralegal cannot be that ignorant of PoFA. If Bye Laws are involved then the bus stop is not relevant land and so the specious argument about FGW is rubbish   36] what on earth is he talking about with Permits. There is no mention of permits on the signage and even if there were  would it mean that Permit holders were allowed to stop on No Stopping roads? There are enough examples on CAG to counter act their idiocy on continuing charging the extra £60   46] VCS had NO reasonable cause to apply to the DVLA for the Defendants details. No valid  contract with the landowners No stopping is prohibitive therefore cannot form a contract the event happened on a bus stop over which VCS has no jurisdiction the signage either does not show that there was a charge of £100 for stopping, or the font size was too small for a motorist to be able to read it  the signage does not show the Creditor which fails the IPC CoP so not valid the WS contract does not appear to authorise VCS to pursue motorists to Court Given all these factors it seems that VCS have breached the GDPR of the Defendant quite substantially and it would appear right that an exemplary award is made against VCS in the hope that they will drop all further cases at Doncaster airport where they are pursuing motorists on non relevant land.   48] what is this guy on? You weren't in a car park you were on a bus stop 59] this case is totally without merit. I am not surprised that the paralegal will not be turning up. Some statements are pretty close to perjury and others are designed to mislead or misdirect. None of the analogies seem appropriate or relevant. Could have been said in at least half the time without the repetition and trying to make a case where none was there. One particularly bad example of misdirection was in the photographs. The Clearway sign shown near the bus stop is very unclear  unlike the Clearway sign two photos before it which may well include terms and conditions. The one by the bus stop is totally different.      
    • just type no need to keep hitting quote...   your defence doesnt need any return of docs.. carefully read what has been posted here and in the other threads i pointed to in your old thread merged here too.   redwood/harwood or STA or brachers.   just use our enhanced google search box.   uni fees is useful too.   this guy is just in front of you    
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    • I have just spent last few hours registering and signing up and filling in all the details.   Below is a POC I have drafted.   The defendant is a parcel delivery company DPD (UK) LIMITED On 09/08/2021 the defendant agreed to deliver the claimant's parcel containing a PlayStation 5 Disc Version value £530, to an address in the UK. The delivery fee of £7.79 was paid by the claimant. Parcel tracking number: ???????? Parcel reference no: ????????? The defendant failed to deliver the parcel and have reported it as lost on 20/08/2021. The defendant refuses to refund the full value of the item and the delivery fee. The claimant seeks £530 being the value of the item, £7.79 delivery cost and legal fees.        (Sorry for being stupid but this POC is supposed to go where it says    " Claim details Why you believe you’re owed the money: " right? Reason why I'm asking is because I don't see anywhere it specifically says what are your particulars of claim)   Tomorrow being the 15th day, I will be ready to click it off (assuming the POC is ok)    I have read a few more hermes/packlink etc stories where they were resolved and gives me hope I will regain my lost money.  Will carry on reading up as much as I can.  
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Seems to be a very useful publication

 

http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/bus...dit/oft664.pdf

 

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Couple of points, 2.2 H premium rate telephone numbers, I thought they all used them, do they have to supply 0800 now?

2.10 D applying unreasonable charges, does that cover the £20 admin charge for taking on the debt or 10%? can we refuse to pay this?

2.14 limitation period, how long out of curiosty is this?

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Having read the OFT guide, am I correct in the following statements:

 

1. DCA's can only collect if there is contractural basis - deed of assignment.

2. DCA's can only add charges or interest if there is contractural basis as point 1.

 

Correct?

 

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This is a good link too...hope you dont mind me adding on!!

 

Law relating to debts: statute-barred debts

 

Your Rights against Creditors from Debt Questions

 

I have found these sites have been very useful

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Against Natwest: http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?278646-N-west-v-Mrsfoot-s-Son.-***WON_ALL-CHARGES-REFUNDED***&highlight=

Against Swift Advances: http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?46576-Me-V-Swift&highlight=

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Having read the OFT guide, am I correct in the following statements:

 

1. DCA's can only collect if there is contractural basis - deed of assignment.

2. DCA's can only add charges or interest if there is contractural basis as point 1.

 

Correct?

 

1970.

 

1. if the debt has been bought by the dca then i would agree, yes. some dcas work on behalf of a creditor, some are actually inhouse (metropolitan and mercers for example)

 

2. i would agree!

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1. if the debt has been bought by the dca then i would agree, yes. some dcas work on behalf of a creditor, some are actually inhouse (metropolitan and mercers for example)

 

2. i would agree!

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if the dca have had the debt passed to them, (not inhouse) are you saying they can not add on charges ie: in my case increase of £20, queried, and told it was admin? do I need to ascertain if there is a deed of assignment

LTSB court date 25/7/07

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HSBC court date 11/9/07 (stayed)

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Citicards lba 14/1/08

 

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if the dca have had the debt passed to them, (not inhouse) are you saying they can not add on charges ie: in my case increase of £20, queried, and told it was admin? do I need to ascertain if there is a deed of assignment

 

it's the same principles as the bank charges argument. you could probably challenge it on the grounds that either

 

a) it's disproportionate

b) there was no provision for it within the original contract

 

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Just a quick point with regards to notice of assignments from DCA's.

If the notice includes an amount demanded that is incorrect it renders the notice legally invalid (e.g. unlawful charges or DCA admin/collection charges).

Even if the amount doesn't include charges but is misstated it is still invalid.

If the date is incorrect it is legally invalid (i.e. does not tie in with the deed of assignment - the execution of assignment should be the same as the date shown on the notice).

The case that supports this is W.F.Harrison & Co Ltd v Burke [1956] 1 WLR 419

 

P.S Thanks go to Laiste for pointing this out.

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Thanks for that rory32,

I will not avoid the original debt, what I object to is effectivly paying someone to haress me, (admin charge):mad:.

They are already making money from buying the debts cheap, and the fact that they have to offset against debts not being paid.....well buisness seems to be booming:rolleyes:

LTSB court date 25/7/07

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HSBC court date 11/9/07 (stayed)

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Citicards lba 14/1/08

 

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Hello.

 

I have a debt with Amex, that I am willing to pay in monthly payments, that has been passed to AIS who have informed me that unless I pay the full amount immediately their charges will be high amd that I wll have to pay them a lot more that the original debt, so the sooner I pay the better.

 

I have a thread on this elsewhere in this forum, so I hope its OK me asking this here. Does that mean that they cannot add charges that are disproportionate to their costs, or that they cannot add charges at all?

 

If the former what is 'disproportionate'. Also what legal costs can they charge me, and how do I get to find out what I have signed in any of the original paperwork? Would this be on the CCA, and if so what can I do when they refuse to accept that they have to send a copy to me on request, if indeed they are so obliged?

 

What if they refuse, then produce it themselves in court?

 

Regards,

 

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"I have a thread on this elsewhere in this forum, so I hope its OK me asking this here. Does that mean that they cannot add charges that are disproportionate to their costs, or that they cannot add charges at all?"

They can not add charges full stop.

 

In answer to your other question - the CCA would show what ou agreed to. If they fail to supply it (or say you can't have it) after 12 working days from receipt of the request they are in default. Once they are in default the debt is unenforceable without them producing a copy of the agreement and so you can withold an payment.

 

Supplying you with a copy of the agreement is your legal right. Whether they feel obliged to do so or not is neither here nor there. If they refused and then produced it in court the case would be thrown out on the isue of discloser.

 

If you give me a link to your thread I'll have a look at it.

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The OFT has changed it's website.

 

Here is the new link to the guidance:

 

http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf

 

 

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Thanks Rory.

 

I have been unwell for a while and am just able to get back to the computer. The thread is finished now. AIC Glasgow accepted my offer of payment after I threatened to report them to the OFT and to take them to court for defaulting on my CCA request after 42 days (actually over 2 months). They agreed to accept my payment offer - great result!

 

Thanks everybody involved in helping me over this! It just proves to me that you all give great advice, and if it is followed properly then you can get a result, irrespective of how aggressive and abusive the DCA is.

 

Cheers.

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Hope you are well pete - glad to here you got the result you wanted :D

 

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I am sorry to butt in but I am looking for some advice, after reading this thread I thought maybe somebody on here would be able to help. I am being chased by a DCA, I have disputed the debt I CCA them and received a letter from them that since it is a bank overdraft a CCA does not cover this. They have refused to give me any indication of where the total amount has come from..could I SAR them? I really am at a loss at the moment any help will be appreciated.

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Greendykes, hopefully this will help.

 

From the Consumer Credit Act 1974:

 

Facts. The manager of the C Bank agrees orally with D (an individual) to open a current account in D’s name. Nothing is said about overdraft facilities. After maintaining the account in credit for some weeks, D draws a cheque in favour of E for an amount exceeding D’s credit balance by £20. E presents the cheque and the Bank pay it.

Analysis. In drawing the cheque D, by implication, requests the Bank to grant him an overdraft of £20 on its usual terms as to interest and other charges. In deciding to honour the cheque, the Bank by implication accept the offer. This constitutes a regulated small consumer credit agreement for unrestricted-use, fixed-sum credit. It is a debtor-creditor agreement, and falls within section 74(1)(b) if covered by a determination under section 74(3).

 

Facts. F (an individual) has had a current account with the G Bank for many years. Although usually in credit, the account has been allowed by the Bank to become overdrawn from time to time. The maximum such overdraft has been is about £1,000. No explicit agreement has ever been made about overdraft facilities. Now, with a credit balance of £500, F draws a cheque for £1,300

 

Analysis. It might well be held that the agreement with F (express or implied) under which the Bank operate his account includes an implied term giving him the right to overdraft facilities up to say £1,000. If so, the agreement is a regulated consumer credit agreement for unrestricted-use, running-account credit. It is a debtor-creditor agreement, and falls within section 74(1)(b) if covered by a direction under section 74(3). It is also a multiple agreement, part of which (i.e. the part not dealing with the overdraft), as referred to in section 18(1)(a), falls within a category of agreement not mentioned in this Act.

 

Facts. Under an oral agreement made on 10th January, X (an individual) has an overdraft on his current account at the Y bank with a credit limit of £100. On 15th February, when his overdraft stands at £90, X draws a cheque for £25. It is the first time that X has exceeded his credit limit, and on 16th February the bank honours the cheque.

Analysis. The agreement of 10th January is a consumer credit agreement for running-account credit. The agreement of 15th-16th February varies the earlier agreement by adding a term allowing the credit limit to be exceeded merely temporarily. By section 82(2) the later agreement is deemed to revoke the earlier agreement and reproduce the combined effect of the two agreements. By section 82(4), Part V of this Act (except section 56) does not apply to the later agreement. By section 18(5), a term allowing a merely temporary excess over the credit limit is not to be treated as a separate agreement, or as providing fixed-sum credit. The whole of the £115 owed to the bank by X on 16th February is therefore running-account credit.

 

Facts. The G Bank grants H (an individual) an unlimited overdraft, with an increased rate of interest on so much of any debit balance as exceeds £2,000.

Analysis. Although the overdraft purports to be unlimited, the stipulation for increased interest above £2,000 brings the agreement within section 10(3)(b)(ii) and it is a consumer credit agreement.

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So greendykes, once again they are using our lack of knowledge to scare us off.

And once again Rory has come up trumps, because they moved the goal posts and allowed you to go over drawn so they could then charge you, they have shot themselves in the foot:)

 

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Hi all,

 

I'm in need of some specialist advice.....

 

Child Support Agency are sending a DCA after me for 'arrears' which I don't owe. (The 2 children live with ME!)

 

If I dispute the 'account', can the DCA do anything?

 

The CSA seem to have wide ranging powers, but would a DCA acting on their behalf still be bound by normal regulations?

 

Thanks.

 

D.

(full details of the case are on my own thread...)

Barclays (2 accounts) WON

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Cohen's: WON (discontinued)

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Eversheds: Trying!

Equidebt: In default

Intrum J: Return to OC

iQor: Stopped paying.

Link: In default.

ScotCall: Return to OC

Thames: Stopped paying.

 

 

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The advice you were give was sort of right. They were wrong to say an overdraft isn't covered by a CCA request as most are. However, unfortunately, in your case this is a business overdraft so would not be covered by The Consumer Credit Act as you would not be a consumer in this case, but a business.

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