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    • Hobnail you don't know Elms too well yet. I am surprised that they got as close as they did to adding up to 30. I think the poor dears get confused because most other letters they send out are to give 28 days notice. They even  have difficulty with their two times table and often consult with the char lady to confirm that 2 plus 2 equals 4.  Just act on the notion that they are total numpties and you won't be far out.
    • To carry on from the above post it may be helpful to go through their WS using their numbers. 9] motorists do NOT accept the contract when entering the land. First they have to read it and understand it and then they realise that a] "No stopping" is prohibitive and cannot offer a contract. b] the signs around the bus stop do not mention who issued the No Stopping signs so it could not have been issued by VCS since the IPC CoP states that their signs should include the IPC logo and the creditor be identified.  10]There is no mention of £100 charge for breaching the No stopping request or if there is it is far too small to read even for a pedestrian. 11] no matter how often VCS say it, it is NOT a contractual clause   22]" the claimant has given the Defendant its contractual licence to enter the site". No it hasn't. This is a road leading to the airport. All sorts of people are going to the airport-travellers, taxis, fuel bowsers, airport staff, companies delivering food and drink for each aircraft, air traffic controllers, buses. It is absolutely ridiculous to attribute VCS wth any sort of permissions. The land owners yes, but not VCS . There can be no sort of analogy between a car park and a major thoroughfare where VCS have no place as it is not relevant land.   23] there can be no contract as there is no offer only a prohibition. And it is not relevant land no matter how Mr Walli attempts to prove otherwise. 25] VCS may have won a few times but none quoted was on an airport covered by the RTA and its own Byelaws. They also have lost more cases than they have won using their prohibitive signs. 26] First one has to consider if there is a contract. Is it relevant land? No. Does a valid contract exist betweer VCS and Peel? NO.  27] the signage at the bus stop may show the conditions ie  no stopping, and restricted zone but not the terms ie is there a charge for stopping and who is the creditor. The last section of the sign is illegible  29] already stated that a WS between VCS and peel is not a valid document 31] it will need more than the Claimants feather to outweigh the case against the Defendant no matter who was driving. 32] there is no law of agency involved. This is not a case of employer/employedd relationship. VCS are muddying the waters because they have no way of transferring the driver's liability to the keeper 33] this a red herring. There is no list of highways at all  on the Highways act 1980 so this is a deliberate strategy to debunk the fact that this road is not relevant land. VCS are put to strict proof that it is relevant land not covered by the Road Traffic Act nor by Byelaws. 34] there ican be no comparison between a railway station and an airport. Totally fatuous analogy.  35] yes the landowners can bring in their own terms but what the cannot do is overrule Byelaws and the Road Traffic Act. 39] surely the paralegal cannot be that ignorant of PoFA. If Bye Laws are involved then the bus stop is not relevant land and so the specious argument about FGW is rubbish   36] what on earth is he talking about with Permits. There is no mention of permits on the signage and even if there were  would it mean that Permit holders were allowed to stop on No Stopping roads? There are enough examples on CAG to counter act their idiocy on continuing charging the extra £60   46] VCS had NO reasonable cause to apply to the DVLA for the Defendants details. No valid  contract with the landowners No stopping is prohibitive therefore cannot form a contract the event happened on a bus stop over which VCS has no jurisdiction the signage either does not show that there was a charge of £100 for stopping, or the font size was too small for a motorist to be able to read it  the signage does not show the Creditor which fails the IPC CoP so not valid the WS contract does not appear to authorise VCS to pursue motorists to Court Given all these factors it seems that VCS have breached the GDPR of the Defendant quite substantially and it would appear right that an exemplary award is made against VCS in the hope that they will drop all further cases at Doncaster airport where they are pursuing motorists on non relevant land.   48] what is this guy on? You weren't in a car park you were on a bus stop 59] this case is totally without merit. I am not surprised that the paralegal will not be turning up. Some statements are pretty close to perjury and others are designed to mislead or misdirect. None of the analogies seem appropriate or relevant. Could have been said in at least half the time without the repetition and trying to make a case where none was there. One particularly bad example of misdirection was in the photographs. The Clearway sign shown near the bus stop is very unclear  unlike the Clearway sign two photos before it which may well include terms and conditions. The one by the bus stop is totally different.      
    • just type no need to keep hitting quote...   your defence doesnt need any return of docs.. carefully read what has been posted here and in the other threads i pointed to in your old thread merged here too.   redwood/harwood or STA or brachers.   just use our enhanced google search box.   uni fees is useful too.   this guy is just in front of you    
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    • I have just spent last few hours registering and signing up and filling in all the details.   Below is a POC I have drafted.   The defendant is a parcel delivery company DPD (UK) LIMITED On 09/08/2021 the defendant agreed to deliver the claimant's parcel containing a PlayStation 5 Disc Version value £530, to an address in the UK. The delivery fee of £7.79 was paid by the claimant. Parcel tracking number: ???????? Parcel reference no: ????????? The defendant failed to deliver the parcel and have reported it as lost on 20/08/2021. The defendant refuses to refund the full value of the item and the delivery fee. The claimant seeks £530 being the value of the item, £7.79 delivery cost and legal fees.        (Sorry for being stupid but this POC is supposed to go where it says    " Claim details Why you believe you’re owed the money: " right? Reason why I'm asking is because I don't see anywhere it specifically says what are your particulars of claim)   Tomorrow being the 15th day, I will be ready to click it off (assuming the POC is ok)    I have read a few more hermes/packlink etc stories where they were resolved and gives me hope I will regain my lost money.  Will carry on reading up as much as I can.  
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Hi. Had a bit of bother with these leeches a few months back but sorted them out no problem with a CCA and other well worded letters and got the "debt" written off.

Now they are chasing me for two utility bills. I dont dispute the fact that I owe the money, but the amount they are asking is way above the amount I owed.

What I need to know is, can I CCA them for these bills? It`s just that I think I read somehere that utility bills arent covered under the CCA system.

Any help gratefully recieved!

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A CCA request is not relevant AFAIK, as you have not receieved credit as such. Have BCW added their costs onto your bill? I would bear in mind that the DCA cannot force you to pay more than you can afford, I managed to reduce my monthly utility outstanding debt from £270 to £30 in a carefully worded letter Red :)

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I managed to reduce my monthly utility outstanding debt from £270 to £30 in a carefully worded letter Red :-)


Could be helpfull if the main contentents of the letter were made available

for others to use.


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ok here is what i sent:

Dear Sirs,

I am writing to you regarding my outstanding balance for energy which you have supplied.

Please accept my next payment of £30.00 which is enclosed by cheque for the month of March 2007. The cheque is from my joint account held with *******Bank and the cheque number is ****.

Should you cash this cheque then you are accepting monthly payments of £30.00 until this debt is paid off or until such time, when I notify you that I am able to increase my payments once my circumstances have improved financially.

Yours faithfully

It worked for me, and I have to give credit to GaryH who had also tried this method. I have a separate thread under Utilites. I also had to deal briefly with Energywatch, but in essence the utility co agreeed to my terms. Hope this helps.

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Thank you

I had a problem B Gas dispute over £300.

The £300 was passed to robinsonway

they conacted and asked for payment.

I told them not happy with the amounts and asked for a copy of the agreement / contract which I signed with Bg.

Robinsonway called me back and offered a reduction of £100 if I paid immediatley.

Contacted Bg as a new customer and asked for the terms and conditions. They sent me a contract to sign.

Again asked Robinsonway for the origional contract/ agreement.

No reply to date. Started December 2006


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Illuminati, are you paying any thing at all at the moment? I found that even if you pay a token amount (and I got the Utility co's bank details and bypassed the DCA by using internet banking to place amounts that I could afford into their account)

If you make even token payments preferably regularly it will help your case (I learned the hard way!). And although they may not be happy with what you are offering again I stress that they cannot force you to pay more than you owe.

In your case can you contact the utilty co direct? maybe Robinsonway have added their own fees?

Let me know!

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Robinsonway only manage the debt so they say and get a payment for each letter the send out.They have not added any charges

They must have had the authority to discount the sum from BG.

When I changed supplier I was told that my account was up to date.

BG would not have let me transfere if there was a large amount outstanding. I have asked BG for copy of contract and also requested details regarding Data request ie: all corospondence telephone calls letters bills and any other information which they hold my account .from 1966

they have 40 days to comply.

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Try getting in touch with these people www.energywatch.org.uk.

Advise robinsonway in writing, regarding the info you have requested from BG, maybe include a copy of what you have sent BG.

Powergen let me move and I owed them over £1k.

Does this mean you are querying that you owe BG anything? Or do you think that there is an amount outstanding and then you are hoping that on a technicality i.e. you were told your account was up to date?

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  • 3 months later...

In my agreement I did not tick the box where it said that they could share the info with others this was in May 1996. I have had 3 letters from DCA, Thames credit and Buchanan Clark and Well, who are acting for Thames credit, Also I have just received a letter from a single solicitros stating that I owe money to Thamse credit.


How can that be if I have not given my consent for info to be passed on.



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