Petitions discussion posts moved from petition thread

[veryannoyed]

I thought we'd established the 6 year time bar didn't apply since the banks knew the charges were unlawful all along, and we the consumer were only alerted to this in April this year following OFT ruling?

[callumsgran]

Phatram, have you asked admin if you can post a petition?

If not can you do so please?

[bill-k]

Phatram, have you asked admin if you can post a petition?

If not can you do so please?

I have just put a link to this petition in my sig., along with the suggestion that everybody does the same (& signs it)

Should I withdraw this link, or have we now got a go-ahead on this ?

[phatram]

To Admin.

can I post a petition link please?

Phatram

[bill-k]

PETITION THE PRIME MINISTER

 

Link Removed pending approval

 

The link in my sig will be removed pending further on this, then.

[phatram]

To Admin.

can I post a petition link please?

Phatram

[phatram]

bump

[Bookworm]

You need to PM Admin (Dave or Bankfodder) to ask, it's highly unlikely they'd see your post otherwise.

 

Link removed until approval given.

[BankFodder]

Some of the have had a discusson about pettiions in the last couple of weeks.

 

If 187 people have already signed yours then learly it shouldn't just be stopped as that would be quite offensive to those people who are trying to express their will.

 

On theother hand we tink that a petition needs a lot of consideration before the work which it really neds begins.

 

I don't think that one can take a passive role with petitions and electronic petitions and that the Internet invite this kind of approach all too easily.

 

The problem is that eventually it leads to fatigue on the part of people who are trying to make their voice heard and also I expect that it leads to chuckles and a blase attitude on the part of those people to whom the petition is addressed but whom it never reaches.

 

In the days of purely paper petitions there had to be a real campaign to go out and get the signatures. With electronic petitions, I am sure that there are hundreds of petitions which are started and then just dwindle into nothing because it is effortless and a petition is never called to the attention of anyone.

 

I think that if one is going to start a petition then there has to be a real examination of what the petition is saying, to whom it will be addressed, the possible effect of it and how the signatures will be obtained. I think it needs an enormous amount of work and there has to be a relentless campaign by a dedicated team of people to go out and get those signatures.

 

I am not even sure how many signatures would be needed on a petition that would really have some effect. I can imagine that it would be well over 100,000 and maybe a quarter of a million.

 

In a discussion with the moderators it was suggested that a petition to the UK government would not have much of an effect as they have a political agenda which is to keep the banks onside in the run-up to the next general election. Even after a general election the government will always need the assistance of the banks and to take action which will cause the loss to the banks of £4.5 billions per year is scarcely conceivable. It is an ideal issue for parties in opposition, but not for parties once they are in government.

 

We rather thought that a European petition to the European Petitions Committee would be rather more useful.

 

I am very sorry because I have not read your petition that I would suggest that at this point it might be an idea for you to contact Vampiress who raised the subject amongst the moderators in the first place.

 

We would be very interested in supporting a properly thought out and properly run petition campaign -- but it would have to be very carefully planned for it to stand any chance of success.

[phatram]

Be interesting to Blairs answer though to my petition tho' eh?

Thanks for your reply, I believe any action is better than none so I'll continue on my campaign.

[legalpickle]

I believe that if a few of us get together we can make a properly thought out petition with the legal arguments.

 

The problem with the No. 10 petition website is that it limits the amount you can write, I would be happy as a web programmer to set up a petition on one of my sites if somebody could help with the exact text. Further, people would have to submit their e-mail addresses and postal addresses to prevent double signing.

 

Also, who exactly the petition should go to would be interesting, so far I have this;

Financial Services Authority (FSA)

Office of Fair Trading (OFT)

Information Commissioners Office (ICO)

Prime Ministers Office (PMO)

Lord Chancellors Office

Prime Ministers Strategy Unit

Department of Trade & Industry (DTi)

Department for Communities & Local Government

Department for Education & Skills (DfES)

Department of Health (DoH)

Deputy Prime Ministers Office

HM Treasury

Department for Constitutional Affairs (DCA)

Department for Work & Pensions (DWP)

Government Legal System (GLS)

The British Monarchy

The United Kingdom Parliament

The Scottish Parliament

The Scottish Executive

The National Assembly for Wales

The Northern Ireland Assembly

 

Why so many office you ask? Besides for the more the merrier, the drastic amount of debt people are put in affects a large part of these offices, it causes less earnings, therefore less taxes from the average citizen, it also means more benefits, less money invested in childrens and adults education by the person/parents themselves, less money invested in healthcare, needing more free prescriptions, causing more money to be spent on trying to solve depression, less money onto private healthcare (I myself managed to pay for a private consultants appointment from one set of bank charges refunded, which took me off from the NHS waiting time of 6 months for such a consultant - specialist spinal surgeon, during which time I would have become sicker), causing more deaths and suicides, causing more poverty and ASBO's and we could go on and on and on. While some of these offices could not regulate or propose such changes to the law, their lobbying can definitely help.

 

I know my post is long, but all responses would be appreciated, this is just a starting list.

[dax]

You know everybody has to start somewhere and petitions cant work unless eevrybody signs them. I'll sign, how do you do it, wheres the petition?

 

Dax

[Guest NATTIE]

BankFodder people are not listening and are reading your view as a tacit endorsement on this site of an e petition. Can I ask if you are happy for the petition to be on the forum at the moment?

[Guest louis wu]

I assumed from BankFodders earlier post on this thread, and the fact it wasn't stopped at that time, that this was enough of an ok.

 

qoute from BankFodder

If 187 people have already signed yours then learly it shouldn't just be stopped as that would be quite offensive to those people who are trying to express their will.

 

 

I dont take that as an endoresment, just a statement of fact. I havn't signed the petition.

 

Louis

[livelylad]

BankFodder people are not listening and are reading your view as a tacit endorsement on this site of an e petition. Can I ask if you are happy for the petition to be on the forum at the moment?

 

The issue of petitions and posting of them is being debated at this time. Further directions will be issued shortly.

[Guest NATTIE]

so at the moment that is a yes or a no?

[legalpickle]

It means that the mods/admin are considering it and will let everybody know in due course.

[Guest NATTIE]

which means do not post it on the site until a decision is made.

[legalpickle]

Exactly!

[Guest NATTIE]

almost as many times as i have reported the petition, you see i am like ariston, i can report a post on and on and on and on and on......

[Spiceskull]

931

Signed...

[Guest NATTIE]

......and on and on and on and on and on........

[Guest louis wu]

Maybe I shouldn't judge others by my own standards, but if I'd removed someones post, I would have sent a message explaining the reasons behind it. Yeah, ok people (mods) havn't got time to respond to individuals, but I thought this site was more of a community, with the spirit a community brings.

 

I suppose I should just accept a CAGBot message telling me it had been removed, accompanied with a straightforward 'do not reply to this message', so no discussion allowed. Does appear to be the way you would treat a child though.

 

This post I found confusing, as there was nothing in Bankfodders post to warrent such a statement-

 

BankFodder people are not listening and are reading your view as a tacit endorsement on this site of an e petition. Can I ask if you are happy for the petition to be on the forum at the moment?

 

If the full post is read, you will see that at no point does he say is unhappy with the e-petition.

 

If this issue is such a big deal it should have been discussed, and directions posted much earlier in the thread. If necessary this thread should have been suspended from the word go! After all, it was noticed at post #13.

 

When one of the site founders makes the comment,

 

'If 187 people have already signed yours then learly it shouldn't just be stopped as that would be quite offensive to those people who are trying to express their will.'

 

it sends the message that although probably not condoned, it certainly isn't a topic never to be discussed again.

 

I would not involve myself with anything that I felt would harm this site, but this petition does not mention CAG, and is not offensive to anyone. Maybe I am just being naive, but is thread really a problem?

 

Obviously from now on, I will have to be very careful with anything I post here. Its a shame I feel this way, and I hope I have just got the wrong end of the stick, however, the fact remains that this has left a bitter taste in my mouth.

 

So, now we have had a mod stating that the issue of petitions is being discussed. I did not read a comment that this thread is now barred. That statement seems to have been made unilaterally by another ordinary member. It is easy to freeze this thread, but it wasn't done, so what justification is there for this line

 

'which means do not post it on the site until a decision is made'

 

it certainly hasn't been backed up by a Mod, and as I say, the thread is still open.

 

The link has been removed, and there is nothing being posted now that is in anyway controversial.

 

Please feel free to put me in my place, after all I am not an 'elite' member, and have only tried to help people when they have posted a question. If necessary I will further explain my feelings, but I don't think I would like to associate myself with this topic again, and would prefer to leave the last word with someboby else.

 

Louis

 

 

Please feel free to report this post, I personally couldn't care less.

[Janet-M]

=louis wu;671436]Maybe I shouldn't judge others by my own standards, but if I'd removed someones post, I would have sent a message explaining the reasons behind it. Yeah, ok people (mods) havn't got time to respond to individuals, but I thought this site was more of a community, with the spirit a community brings.

 

 

 

I agree with you and whenever possible we do try and let people know if their post has been edited / removed etc .Sometimes it is just to hectic and we do not have the time that is why an automatic email is sent out so at least you are told in some way.If you then do still require a reason and the mod has not left a reason in the post then you can always just PM them.

If you look at how few of us are available and how many users are on at anyone time you may then understand why we just do not have the time .

[phatram]

I have pm'd somebody, it was weeks ago and I cant remember who it was.

If they don't want to show the link thats fine.

I shall post the PM'S office answer to the petition when I get it.