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    • They did reply to my defence stating it would fail and enclosed copies of NOA, DN Term letter and account statements. All copies of T&C's that could be reconstructions and the IP address on there resolves to the town where MBNA offices are, not my location
    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
    • In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us] 1 defendant   Which Court have you received the claim from ? County Court Business Centre, Northampton   Name of the Claimant ? LC Asset 2 S.A R.L   Date of issue – . 28/04/23   Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for –    (1) The Claimant ('C') claims the whole of the outstanding balance due and payable under an agreement referenced xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and opened effective from xx/xx/2017. The agreement is regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 ('CCA'), was signed by the Defendant ('D') and from which credit was extended to D.   (2) D failed to comply with a Default Notice served pursuant to s87 (1) CCA and by xx/xx/2022 a default was recorded.   (3) As at xx/xx/2022 the Defendant owed MBNA LTD the sum of 12,xxx.xx. By an agreement in writing the benefit of the debt has been legally assigned to C effective xx/xx/2022 and made regular upon C serving a Notice of Assignment upon D shortly thereafter.   (4) And C claims- 1. 12,xxx.xx 2. Interest pursuant to Section 69 County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from xx/01/2023 to xx/04/2023 of 2xx.xx and thereafter at a daily rate of 2.52 to date of judgement or sooner payment. Date xx/xx/2023   What is the total value of the claim? 12k   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Yes   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? N/A Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes, but amount differs slightly   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. DP issued claim   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Not that I recall...   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Not that I recall...   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Yes   Why did you cease payments? Loss of employment main cause   What was the date of your last payment? Early 2021   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No   -----------------------------------
    • Hello CAG Team, I'm adding the contents of the claim to this thread, but wanted to open the thread with an urgent question: Do I have to supply a WS for a claim with a court date that states " at the hearing the court will consider allocation and, time permitting, give an early neutral evaluation of the case" ? letter is an N24 General Form of Judgement or Order, if so, then I've messed up again. Court date 25 May 2024 The letter from court does not state (like the other claims I have) that I must provide WS within 28 days.. BUT I have recently received a WS from Link for it! making me think I do need to!??
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Greetings One and All,

 

Great to see so many battling away against YB, although it does seem daunting the way they seem to play silly b****rs with practically every claim.

 

Still, it has to be worth it in then end.

 

First letter requesting statements printed and going in the post on Tuesday. So hopefully i could have some extra spending money for next Christmas!

 

It seems from what I have read that the motto of this board in particular should be, "Don't let the bu**ers grind you down".

 

Happy New Year all.

 

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Hi Ross.

 

Are you sending the pukka Data Protection Act SARs letter from the letter templates library and including the £10 fee?

 

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Yes, from what I have gleaned from other threads so far there is little point in not following the tried and tested methods.

 

Stick to the standard forms to give the "bankers" as little wriggle room as possible.

 

Will also be paying a visit to another local bank to open an account just in case YB decide to get really nasty and look to close my account.

 

I was debating whether to simply ask the bank to take £10 payment from my account, as a colleague at work has done a similar thing with no adverse problems (so far) from Ulster Bank.

 

Would also be interested to know if anyone else has managed to get a refund on penalties incurred more than 6 yrs ago?

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There is talk on claiming back over the 6 year limit but i can't remember where i have seen this on here, try doing a search to see unless someone can direct you. Yeh i have heard about them deducting the money from your account, i don't see anything wrong with it as its recorded on your statements.

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Above 6 years, have a look at these two

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/lloyds-bank/54548-could-biggest-claim-site.html

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general/3598-do-you-have-charges.html

 

Fair bit of 'getting your head round' there, that should keep you quite until your cheque arrives!

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Many thanks for the inital advice.

 

Down to Northern Bank on Tuesday to open a new account and then straight across the road to the post office for my recorded delivery DPA request.

 

Then a case of watch this space.

 

Cheers

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Well, job done.

 

Recorded delivery Data protection letter sent off on Thursday so have to twiddle my thumbs for a while, whilst making best use of the FAQ's.

 

In the meantime have opened my account with Northern Bank just in case YB decide to play hardball. Was very interesting to hear from the guy at Northern that they are now owned by Danska Bank, but prior to this, their time with National Australia Group was very grim. Seems they were not so nice to their staff, let alone their customers.

 

........and a belated happy New Yaer to you all, and of course Good luck to all.

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Well as per the usual, just got a speedy response from YB saying the statements are on their way and that they have no obligation to provide evidence of manual intervention.

 

....and as per usual a comment about them having 40 days to act!

 

I look forward to getting my highlighter pen out!

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Greetings All,

 

Well a quiet night shift at work allowed me to sit down and go through my old staements last night. Initial DPA letter sent on 5th Jan with YB taking almost the whole 40 days to respond.

Whether it was the long shift or the number of charges, but by the time I had finished I had the numbers blurring. The main problem being the wonderful matter of interest. So grateful if anybody can help me out.

 

Having gone through my statements I have put down all charges for unauthorised O/D, unpaid chq & DD, and general charges. However, I then became concerned that I had wasted my time as I will not probably be submitting my prelim request letter for another couple of days.

 

Does this make my interst charges wrong, and therefore mean YB may have a chance of challenging me?

 

I also got a little confused over whether I should be referring to the interest on the monies to be reclaimed in my prelim letter?

 

Should I simply advise of the amount of charges I am looking to be reimbursed and wait until they adge towards the courts before I work out the interest?

 

Grateful for any views prior to me going over my spreadsheet again.

 

Many thanks

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Hi, Do you mean you've yet to send your LBA?? When I sent this to Barclays I only included the charges and interest I'd paid by being overdrawn (not the 8% interest as calculated on N1, the form you send of to start court action). However as there was no agreed overdraft any interest debited to me was from an unauthorised overdraft. I think it may be a bit more complicated trying to seperate the interest you've paid on agreed and unauthorised overdrafts.... Hope someone else can clarify for you (or that my answer is sufficinet).

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Thanks for that, So far I have only sent the DPA letter and received my statements, which came yesterday.

From what I have read, and when I was drawing up my schedule of charges last night, I thought I should be including all unauthorised O/D charges (£6-8 perday), all unpaid chq's & DD's, all "charges" along with debit under advice. Then including the 8% interest on each of these charges.

The whole daily interest and compound interest leaves my brain in a complete fog, so thought this was the easiest way.

Then once all that worked out, advise my branch (Ellesmere Port) of each amount and the total I am claiming.

Then of course when they come back with their standard line, go to the LBA.

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A whole day going through my statements again and filling in spreadsheets, and I do truely appreciate the wise words of Bankfodder

 

"This is not a get rich quick scheme"

 

Then I realised I had filled in the wrong spreadsheet...aaaaarrrrggghhhhhh!:-x

 

Oh well think I have it right now. Will leave my brain to cool down and get my prelim letter out to the branch........or is it advisable to forward all correspondence direct to the "Advice Quality Unit", Wade Lane Leeds???

 

Just a quick question that one and hope everyones claims are going well:)

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Well a speedy response from YB follwoign my initial request for return of my charges. Letter requesting charges, including spreadhseet detailing all those incurred and interest submitted by RD on 20/02/07, with response dated 23/02/07. Not bad considerign I sent my letter to my branch in E Port and teh response came from Leeds.

 

Quite a lenghty response which simply outlined the banks T&C. However, what I find most interesting is that the bank actually specifically makes reference to the;

 

"T&C being fair having regard to the following:

 

a) The cost to the bank of maintaining administrative systems relating to unauthorised o/d's, unpaid chqs & dd's.......

b) The increased risk of loss to the Bank arising from such unauthorised transactions and the associated cost of enforcement action and recovery systems

c) The need to operate standard procedures and to set astandard charges in order to avoid the substantial costs of individual assessment in relation to each particular case."

 

Seems to me that the bank are attempting to be reasonable with this and reckon that the "charges" are just that, and not penalties. I presume this is their standard "knock back" letter?

 

Obviously at this early stage they have stated that they are not going to refund charegs to my account.

 

So after that long message above, just wondered whether anyone could advise.......due to their speedy response, should I still wait the fukll 14 days before I send out my LBA or just go for it now?

 

Many thanks in advance.

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Hello all,

 

Well I am currently waiting for a response to my LBA (due by 13/3) and just had what may well be a stupid thought come into my mind whilst reading other threads.......so grateful fro some clarification from all those wise heads out there.

Why are the banks still waiting until the last minute and allowing claimants to lodge court papers, which will then automatically add on 8% interest onto all claims?

Why not just cut their losses and get out before paying the extra, or are they still naive enough to think that peopel will give up?

 

Also wondered whether it was worthwhile going for the extra 8% if this takes you over the £5000 threshold for small claims action. Charges + debit interest mean my claim falls under this limit, but with the added 8% it would take it above.

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YB really are a bunch of chancers.

 

With 4 days to go before I start my court action, they send me a letter stating they have "reopened the complaint and a further review is being undertaken". Do they really believe that this will delay things?

 

Funny, I suppose, but I thought the complaint never went away.....almost looking forward to issuing the court action now.

 

A little aside.....

 

When issuing court matters with MCOL, do I use my Branch address (as I have done for all previous correspondence, or YB head office in Leeds?

 

....and should the respondent be the YB or the Manager of my Branch?

 

....Can I also include the £10 for the SAR in my claim at this stage or do I have to wait for a decision from the courts re costs for this?

 

Many thanks

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Good luck Ross.

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:p You are right about the luck of course Ross, but not so sure about the infinite wisdom, at least on my part LOL.
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