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What a top site,first of all!!This has been a long time coming,IMHO

 

Anyway-sent off to Northern Bank in Belfast initial request for charges/statements on 27th April via recorded delivery.Heard nothing back as yet....

 

This outfit take every small window of opportunity to beat you around the head with charges for letters,unpaid direct debits etc-so I'm looking forward to a bit of payback.At a rough reckon(very rough) I could be looking at £1500-£2000.

 

2003/04 was a particularly bad year for us,because I was off work on the sick and got down to nil pay-cheques were bouncing,DD's weren't paid and credit card companies were over me like a rash

 

 

Time for some payback!!Up next-

 

CITI CARDS

MBNA

BARCLAYCARD

NATWEST CARDS

CAPITAL ONE

RBS ADVANTA

 

Can't wait to see them squirm!!!:lol:

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Best of luck Matey !

 

That is one helluva crazy user name !

 

 

Thanks!!This site inspires confidence to such a degree that you just want to get stuck in!!

 

The user name comes from one of my 7 year old son's expressions-he comes out with some good ones!!

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The user name comes from one of my 7 year old son's expressions-he comes out with some good ones!!

 

LMAO, Thought y'ad been pulled over one too many times by the 'Can ya wind yer windy down pleez sir!' crew. ;)

 

Anyway, good luck with NB ;)

 

mori

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Hope you get the charges info you requested without too much trouble

In the light of the problems Yorkshire/Clydesdale customers are facing in getting responses to their DPA requests, remember that Northern Bank was also part of National Australia Group until last year when it was sold to Danske.

Bye the way, love your username, must tell my teenage son to add to his collection.

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Will be watching this with interest.

I send off my initial letter this week for my list of charges but I don't expect to hear from them anytime soon! The clock is ticking...........

 

The Northern love charging for everything, so I will take great delight in asking for it back. I have found a lot of my old statements so if they don't get back to me I will use what I have to start with and go from there.

 

Best of luck and I love the username it's excellent.

 

Jules

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  • 3 weeks later...

how's this for bank efficiency?

 

Sent DPA on 27 April-no response.

Sent reminder letter 24 may and got a letter in this morning.They claim to have lost my original letter,and tracked it down after receipt of my reminder.Top class service so far!!

 

They now claim to have 40 days from May 30 to comply,but will try with "every possible effort" to have this information for me next week.

 

They had better otherwise their arse is in a sling-it's my timetable,not the Northern's!!

 

Anyway,they claim that manual intervention is applied in all circumstances of charges applied-*YEAH RIGHT*-but that it would take a disproportionate effort to get me the details.

 

They are also looking for £6 per page of statements prior to April 2004,because they can't be bothered to get off their lazy arses to get me them.

 

If they think I'm falling for this they must be located on Mars-I know that Abbey customers got the same run around.Can anyone point me to a thread where this was comprehensively dealt with?

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today's update-

big box arrived stuffed to the gills with statements,and a letter.Unfortunately for the northern,they only sent me statements dating back to April 13,2004-statements prior to that "are not readily available",apparently.....they also have refused to send me a list of details of charges levied,as primarily requested,as these would "already have been furnished in statements already issued".ANOTHER REFUSAL-this is getting good!!

 

well,after 6 June,the Northern are in breach of the DPA request,and will be reported to the IC if I don't get the rest by then-and I'm not expecting them to provide them.They are asking £6 per page for them-so obviously they are readily available-they just want their pound of flesh for those as well-SORRY MR NORTHERN,NO CAN DO!!!:D

 

Also,they seem to find it a "disproportionate effort " to furnish me with hard evidence of manual intervention in the application of charges,and I have asked for this TWICE in wiriting.Judge is gonna love that- LOL!!!

I wonder why it would be too much of an effort-perhaps even the Northern have realised that you can't find something that doesn't exist..... ;)

 

Anyway-I am going forward on this basis for the Northern to consider-

 

I have totted up the charges for the 2 years statements issued to us,and they come to a rather healthy £1791!!Now I am going to estimate a total for the 5 years we have been with them on the basis of 2/5 of 5 years =£1791

 

so 5 years estimated charges =(£1791/2)x5=£4475.50

 

and let them prove otherwise by giving me hard evidence,or else they will throw the dolly out of the pram and completely refuse to play.Either way-they are going to come in in second place.

 

I feel a fight coming on.....:D;)

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to cut a long story short-

 

Northern Bank have now twice refused to supply me with statements prior to April 2004,and any list of charges whatsoever,on grounds of "disproportionate effort needed" -total crap,I know

 

They will supply me with statements prior to 2004 at the very reasonable rate of £6 per sheet!!How nice-so they are obviously available-but cannot provide proof of manual intervention,which they claim is applied in all cases-did you ever hear so much nonsense!!

 

anyway-we have tallied up for the 2 years out of the 5 that we have been with them and that they have sent details for.It amounts to £1791.What I am thinking of doing is this-divide £1791 by 2 to get a figure for 1 year,and multiplying that by 5 to get an estimate for 5 years-comes to £4475.50.

 

If they can't be bothered to send me what I want,is it reasonable for me to request repayment of £4475.50?It would clearly not look to good for them if they suddenly are able to dig out the information I require.

 

The 40 day DPA compliance expires Tuesday 6 June.

 

Appreciate any help

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Just to add - no court is going to accept the "disproportionate effort" argument, when they have said they can supply the information for £6 per sheet. These people do like to shoot themselves in the foot. :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

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what will happen if you OVER estimate your charges?

Data Protection Act letter sent 10/04/2006,

priliminary letter sent 23/05/06,

LBA sent 7/06/06

claim issued 23/06/06

deemed to be served 25/06/06

Abbey Acknowledged with intent to defend, they have got until: 23/07/06

50% offered + interest, rejected: 21/07/06

AQ recieved 27/07/06,

AQ posted back 09/08/06

Court date 13/12/06

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what will happen if you OVER estimate your charges?

 

In this case it would be for the bank to challenge the figures you give - and provide evidence to support that challenge. Should it go to court I cannot see that a judge would side with Abbey when clearly they were being obstructive over providing the information in the first place.

 

Of course when they do provide the evidence, then the matter could either be settled in the usual way before a hearing at the corrected amount - or the claim could be changed with any additional court cost being added to the claim, since it was Abbeys fault.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi,

 

Would it be fair to guess that you are in N. Ireland (like me)?

 

If so I believe the max you can claim for in one go is up to 2,000 in the small claims, which would cover the 1791 that you currently know about. You could run that one through and then come back again for the remaining amount , by this time they will know that you mean business and will be more willing to deal with you, or am I just being hopefull.

 

The above may be just nonsense, if it is let me know:)

 

Bye for now

 

Jim

Nothing done yet, Just arrived at the site recently, but the following banks etc will be hearing from me

Nationwide acc 1

Nationwide acc 2

Nationwide acc 3

My MBNA

Wifes MBNA

My Citibank

Wifes Citibank

My GE Money

Wife's GE Money - £78.85 - Preliminary letter sent 5/6/06

Mint - £140.00 - Preliminary letter sent 5/6/06

Capital One

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Hi Jim

yes you're right,I'm in the orchard county;)

 

You are also right about the £2000 limit,but a way round this has been suggested by claiming for each separate year....

 

I see you're going after the MBNA-they are fairly straightforward to beat,it seems.I had total success with precious little effort.If you need any help,just PM me...

 

all the best

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tomorrow is June 6(how appropriate)-D Day for the Northern Bank.They still haven't given me full disclosure,and I'm not expecting anything in the morning.

 

So,estimated charges for the 5 years of £4477.50 will be duly requested-let's see what happens-will they tell me to sod off,or will they miraculously come up with the information I requested?:rolleyes:

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Hi Lickthewallfatboy

 

Did you have any joy from the Northern?

I got my DPA response today (10th being the dead line) I take it my letter was the same as yours - "would require a disproportionate effort" but I can have the outstanding statements for £6.00 each sheet!

What are you doing now? I did not recieve much info at all about 12 sheets in total. In my case they have said that I recieved all other info in 2003 (the last DPA I served on them) trouble is that I didnt recieve it then either but didnt take it any further as in that case I got what I was looking for.

Did they provide a guide to understanding their abbreviations?

Are you going to ask the IC Office for an assessment or straight to court with your figures estimated?

 

Dont want to hijack your thread just very interested in your case as I am obviously only a couple of days behind you.

Very interested to hear your next move.

 

 

Goood luck

Cat

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Hi Cat

 

glad to know there's someone else at my shoulder with the Northern!

 

I have sent the letter(yesterday) with the estimate for £4477 as they have now twice refused to provide me with all the information I need.So they will either freak out and refuse to budge,or freak out and send me the details I asked for,but I don't expect them to cough up the manual intervention notes:rolleyes:

 

I will leave the IC out of this (about the DPA breach) until I get a reply to my letter.Then I will make my mind up about what to do about that,depending on the content of the response.I genuinely expect this to go to small claims,but as this is limited to a max of £2k,I am inviting opinion as to the way forward on that front,as regards multiple claims for separate years etc etc.

 

We do live in interesting times,to paraphrase a well known chinese proverb.....

 

all the best to you Cat-if you need a listening ear,just post here or PM me.I'll try to help and give moral support where I can.

 

How much are you getting into them for?

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Good to hear from you Lickthewallfatboy

 

Fairly complex case going back 6 + years They had our business account per accounts, life policys, PPP, mortgage, loan (they owned us for 13 years) They shut all accounts in Feb 2003 and I have fought with them about being mis sold PPP which resulted in the accounts being closed.

Quick count of what I have so far is £1895 and counting. No statements before 2001 were provided and 2000 was the worst year so I do want them.

Considering paying for statements £6.00 per sheet to get figures correct before court for charges (as the IC Office can be a very lengthy process) and then adding costs to claim.

 

Cat

 

My blood runs cold every time I see the logo or walk past a branch. This is very personal.

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Just had a thought re the amount you have to claim you may end up in the high court and there appear to be all sorts of possibile downsides to that. Can a joint high court claim be entered by all the people claiming off the Northern. I have no legal experience but the solicitors do it for groups of people eg. smokers against the tabacco companies.

 

Are you of a legal mind? You do seem fairly sussed.

 

Cat

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