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    • Thanks guys. Updated witness statement accordingly with dx's post. I have a draft order. As follows, is this ok?   It is ordered that: 1. The default judgment dated 10 November 2021 be set aside. 2. The Claimant pays the Defendant’s costs of this application to the sum of £275. 3. The Claimant has permission to file and serve a reply if so required.   4. All enforcement be put on hold pending the outcome of the application.   So with the N244.. include the Witness statement, draft defence, and draft order? And include a copy of all evidence?   Thanks
    • we need the exact particulars of claim, not what you have put please.  
    • Thank you everyone for your quick responses I just wish I posted here in the first place    I probably shouldn't have filled in the claim form however on the letter it said I had limited time to do so and because I was dealing with CST law trying to come to an agreement with paying off the debt I didn't think it would get to this point and now I have probably made my situation worst. Of course, I would have posted here first before sending it off had I not been in communication with CST to set up an agreement.    I sent the letter back to the court as some point in early August, the issue date on the claim form is 28th July and the most recent letter I have received 'Notice of fast track' is dated 18th November    If I am honest I can't fully remember what I wrote word for word in my defence, it would have been along the lines of why I left, my reasons and the fact I returned to my old career in an office plus taking a pay cut to do so. There wasn't much room to write a long winded defence so I kept it relativity short.   The above document Andy has posted is the exact document I am now looking at very confused in what exactly I put where    I just want to re-iterate I never agreed with this money I owe due to the training bond but it has gone on for so long at this point I'm happy to set up a payment plan if the balance can get reduced or a small one off payment upfront and this is exactly what I was trying to do prior to receiving the most recent letter    I have had zero communication from CST law, Centrica advised me to deal with them directly and I was waiting for a response from CST with the offer we had put across to Centrica - I chased it multiple times the following weeks and they kept telling me they haven't had a response and when they do we'll contact you which they still have not   Ideally I would rather not give them any money however I feel like I am out of options at what I probably should have done years ago is attempt to get it reduced and set up a payment plan    Please let me know if I have missed any critical info out    Thanks again for everyones help    What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim? I left a British Gas apprenticeship within the first 12 months of starting and went back to my old career in an office , my reasons for leaving were down to the completely differant job role which I realised quikcly was not for me and it was impacting my mental health massively. The claim is for a training bond which was in a contract I signed based on a sliding scale Year 1 - £9,000 year 2 £6,000 year 3 £3,000     What is the total value of the claim? £13433    Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Yes   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No  Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Training bond due to leaving an apprenticeship before 3 years    When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? They have sent me a virtually signed document with the contract   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? No   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Centrica are claimant, CST law are dealing and the court   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? I believe so yes   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? I have had multiple letters like everyone else who has been on the forum over the years regarding this matter   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? I am unsure, but when I left I had contested the original claim as I was dealing directly with Centrica’s collection team and they never got back to me after the final email I had sent and didn’t hear anything until years down the line   Why did you cease payments? N/A   What was the date of your last payment? N/A   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? Correct I oringinally contested what was owed back in 2017 and gave my reasons for leaving and I assumed the matter was closed   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No  
    • OK thanks again Andy.   And understood 👍😉
    • Thank you for this. The first thing to be say is that this means that you are winning. It is pretty well unheard of in my experience for the bank to give way and finally return the money. The fact that they have done this under the threat of a judgement for breach of statutory duty indicates even more that they are worried about their position. Nowhere have they indicated that they have complied with the requirements of the Proceeds of Crime Act and informed the National crime agency. I don't believe they have and this is a very serious breach of statutory duty. Not only that it is a very serious breach of the FCA BCOBS regulations in that they are required to treat you fairly. Treating you fairly in this case means that they must comply with the rest of their statutory duties. It appears that they really haven't done this at all and that they have acted in an arbitrary way in disregard of the law and that they are hoping to get away with it. I find myself wondering how many other hundreds of people have been treated in exactly the same way – and you are probably the first ever to have stood up to them and to get them worried. I think I've already indicated that a press contact of mine in the Sunday Times would be very interested in this story. He has already run stories about the very poor standards applied by banks when deciding that their customers are involved in some fraudulent behaviour. The first thing to say about the letter which you have received is that they are trying to apply conditions to releasing your own money. It's your money and there should be no conditions and my suggestion is that you object to this. Secondly, not only are they threatening to continue to withhold your own money – but also they are saying that if they release it to you you will simply have the net figure without any kind of interest or compensation. It's clear that while they have had your money, they have invested it and earn money on it. They have probably been lending it out at between 16% and 20% and although the usual rate of interest is 8%, it seems to me that justice can only be served by repaying you your money plus the commercial rate of interest – at a compound rate. Normally the 8% is calculated at simple. Thirdly, they are not offering to pay you any compensation and clearly they are hoping to get away with it without any kind of sanction or not even a slap on the wrist.   Fourthly, they had the nerve to impose a seven day deadline. Don't worry about their deadline. It's a load of huff and puff. This is all part of their bluff game designed to intimidate you. At the end of seven days – what? Are they then going to insist on going to court?   If they really believe that they had done everything correctly and that the money was fraudulent, then they would not offer it to you back under any circumstances. It would be illegal for them to do so. You can be certain that these people do not want to go to court. In fact they probably wish they had never started.   Finally, they want the matter to be kept confidential – and I can't say I blame them. I would be ashamed if people knew that I had treated somebody else in this way and I'm sure they are worried about reputational damage. I'm also sure that there are extremely worried about what will happen if you get a judgement against them for breach of statutory duty. It will have to be reported to the FCA. It will have to be reported to the NCA. And of course it should be reported to the newspapers because people need to know what is going on. If you want, you can simply accept their proposal – get your money back, given confidentiality – and that's the end of the matter. However, you have no idea how this will impact on your record in the future. I imagine that they will bar you from ever opening an account with them again. – But at least you will have your money and you can get on with your life. However, if you want you can stand your ground and make it clear to them that you are going to be mucked around and treated like this and that you are prepared to go to court if they won't make a proper offer. I understand that you need to pay a court fee of about £350 in the next seven days. I expect that the bank is making this offer now hoping to dissuade you from spending any more money and hoping that you will back down. If you have the money to proceed then I would suggest very strongly that it will be a very serious sign of strength that you tell the bank that you're not interested in that you are paying the fee for the next stage of the court process. If the bank knows that you've called their bluff on this and that you have been prepared to invest further money in moving this legal action forward, then they will start to reflect and I can perfectly well imagine that they will make you another more interesting offer – once again on conditions of confidentiality. Without seeing any further offer, I'm already suggesting that you will probably be best off turning it down. In any event, I would remind you going back several months that I already predicted that the bank would make you confidential offer – and that has happened. I'm not saying that I'm always going to be right here – but I think that now basically the bank have pretty well admitted that they need to pay you your money, there is no chance of you losing it. You will get your money and it really is just a question of how much else you will get in addition. If you'd like to continue then let me know and I will suggest a draft response to them.
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There are numerous regulatory bodies representing dcas and baliffs.Each have codes of conduct.Although they are self regulatory for the most part much of the codes are actually enforceable in law.I have contacted three such associations and asked if complaints are dealt with seriously and concisely if reported by a member of the public who had been at the wrong end of unlawful tactics.

Each pledged that complaints would be thoroughly investigated,providing that the complainant had taken the matter up with the dca/Baliff and still remained unhappy.

 

Each member shall comply with this Code and any other Guidance issued by the Association from time to time.

1. All Transactions

Each member shall act responsibly and with integrity in the day-to-day conduct of its business.

For example:

I. Provide adequate training for members of its staff, bringing to their attention the principles of this Code and requiring them to carry out their duties in accordance with it. Also, ensure continuous and appropriate training of staff in respect of current legislation and best practice.

II. Follow where appropriate any requests conveyed to members by the Board of the Association or the enforcement authorities.

III. Follow where appropriate any guidance notes issued by the Board of the Association.

2. General Conduct

a) Use plain English in all communications.

b) Show on all letters, postcards and forms the full business address, telephone number (and email address, where used).

c) In all contacts by staff or agents, ensure that the member’s identity is clearly disclosed.

d) Ensure by continuously examining debt collection procedures, and those of any third parties employed, that they conform to the highest ethical standards.

e) All members have a duty to ensure that their agents, sub-contractors and subsidiaries comply with the Association’s Code and Guidelines.

f) Comply with all reasonable requests by debtors, clients or their appointed representatives for information concerning their agreements and accounts.

g) All members shall ensure the Association’s Code is available on their own website where they have one. They shall further ensure that a copy of the Code is supplied promptly to any debtor on request.

3. Legislation & Guidelines

a) Each member shall conduct its business lawfully, comply with all relevant UK legislation, regulation and judicial decisions and trade fairly and responsibly.

b) Each member shall also comply with Debt Collection Guidance as published by the Office of Fair Trading from time to time.

The following list of guidelines is intended as an indication of the procedures to be adopted by members. It is not intended as an exhaustive directive to members.

Moreover, the effectiveness of collection techniques and procedures depends on the circumstances applying at the time collection is attempted and so cannot be regulated in an absolute manner.

Nevertheless, the Association expects compliance with the guidelines and any member not so complying will have to give a justifiable reason for non-compliance in the event of a complaint being received by the Association.

In attempting to carry out collection in default of payment, members of the Association should:

a) Not use oppressive or intrusive collection procedures.

b) Not bring unreasonable pressure to bear on the debtor in default of payment.

c) Not act in a manner in public intended to embarrass the debtor.

d) Be circumspect and discreet when attempting to contact the debtor by telephone, SMS, email or by personal visit, with due regard to the Data Protection Act and OFT Guidance.

e) Ensure that all attempted contacts with debtors are made at reasonable times and at reasonable intervals.

f) Unless instructed otherwise, accept all reasonable offers by debtors to pay by instalments, provided acceptable evidence of non-ability to pay is given.

g) Not use improper* means to obtain the telephone number and address of a debtor and treat all information supplied as private and confidential unless specific authorisation has been given by the debtor to disclose information to third parties. (*Improper in this connection would refer to actions in breach of relevant legislation or in breach of the Association’s code.)

h) In respect of 4g above, have specific regard to Section 55 of the Data Protection Act 1998.

i) Not pressurise debtors to sell property or to raise funds by further borrowing.

j) Not falsely imply by written or verbal means that criminal proceedings will be brought, nor that civil action has or will be instituted where members are unable to do so due to legal restrictions (e.g. bankruptcy under £750, statute barred). Nor falsely imply that a judgment or decree/document of debt (Scotland) has been obtained against the debtor.

k) Ensure that collectors who use pseudonyms can be identified within the members organisation.

l) Take all possible steps to verify that the person being pursued, is in fact, the debtor.

m) Have due regard and deal sensitively with individuals where evidence has been given, or is apparent, that the individual is incapacitated by mental or physical disability.

n) When dealing with fee charging debt advisory services, follow the Office of Fair Trading Guidelines on debt management.

o) Offer maximum co-operation with the debtor’s nominated or chosen Third Party.

p) Encourage debtors in financial difficulties to inform members of their difficulties and then respond sympathetically and positively on the evidence provided.

q) Take into consideration before determining whether to enforce repayment, all information supplied in relation to the reason for non payment, which may include The Common Financial Statement, or the debtor’s future ability to repay. If the debtor has disclosed multiple debt problems, inform them of the availability of advisory services. Where available, provide in all relevant correspondence the name or designation of a specially trained member of staff who may be contacted regarding financial difficulties.

r) Where a debt or the sum owed is disputed, as soon as is practicable, supply information to the debtor in support of the claim. Where no information has been supplied by the creditor, obtain the required support, or failing that cease collection action.

Members must keep in strict confidence any information supplied by the debtors or their chosen third party, except where disclosure is authorised by the debtor or others permitted or required by law.

6. Conduct Regarding Clients

Each member shall:

a) Ensure fairness and transparency of contracts made with clients.

b) Inform their clients of the true rates of charges for services rendered.

c) Safeguard the security of collected monies.

d) Account and remit to their clients at least once a month, or as otherwise agreed, all monies collected.

e) Ensure that by prior arrangement clients are able to visit their premises for the purpose of auditing and checking their accounts.

f) Conduct its business under a name, title or style which will not confuse or mislead clients, creditors, debtors or members of the public, or which will not imply any association with other organisations or persons, which do not exist.

g) Not approach, induce or persuade staff in the employment of a client to join the Member’s organisation, although nothing in this clause will prohibit the engagement by a member of such an employee where a bona fide application is made.

7. Complaints

a) Each member shall have in place adequate processes to deal with debtors or client complaints, this must contain the following minimum procedure:

I. The Management level at which complaints are handled.

II. The time frame in which complaints are handled.

III. The remedy, if the complainant is not satisfied.

IV. Complainants must be advised that one of the remedies is referral of the complaint to the Association where appropriate.

b) Members shall deal with complaints speedily, responsively, in a user friendly fashion and at an appropriate management level.

c) Member’s complaints procedures must be made available to the complainant or his/her advisor on request.

d) If a complaint is made to the Association in relation to dealings with a member of the Association, the Association will deal with the complaint in accordance with the published complaints procedure.

8. The Association

a) Each member shall provide the Board, on request, references and proof of financial solvency.

I. Members who are not required to file annual returns or accounts must provide the Association annually with a Certificate of Solvency based on their last available audited accounts and signed by their Auditor.

II. Notwithstanding the above, each member shall have their accounts audited by a firm of qualified accountants.

b) The Association shall monitor the compliance of members with the Code and shall each year publish a report of the number and types of complaints received.

c) Any instance of non-compliance shall be drawn to the attention of the member concerned. In the event of continued noncompliance or of a serious breach, the Disciplinary Committee will take such action as it deems appropriate, including a warning or recommendation of expulsion of the member concerned from membership. In the event of expulsion the Association will send a report to the Office of Fair Trading.

d) Membership of the Association entitles the member to display an approved trade association symbol thereby indicating their adherence to this Code of Practice.

e) Each member must inform the Association of all trading names in use.

f) Each member must notify the Association of any matters, which might adversely affect the reputation of the industry or of the Association.

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Xiona some dcas are registered with one or other some with all of them and some with none ! so let me know if you need help with your individual complaint so I can give you the info.

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re post #4, Lending Code to be updated wef 1/5/12 as follows

'New provisions have been agreed that increase the level of protection offered to customers under the Lending Code where their debt is sold or transferred to a 3rd party for collection. Where a debt is sold, subscribers need to satisfy themselves that appropriate arrangements are in place to ensure that the debt purchaser will continue to deal with customers in a manner consistent with the requirements in the Code for the treatment of customers in financial difficulties.' lendingstandardsboard

http://www.lendingstandardsboard.org.uk/docs/Public%20Site%20-%20Debt%20collection%20and%20debt%20sale%20.pdf

 

 

also, for info

'In November 2011 the LSB completed a review of the way Lending Code Subscribers deal with customers who are in financial difficulties.'

http://www.lendingstandardsboard.org.uk/docs/Handling%20of%20Customers%20in%20Financial%20Difficulties%20-%20Dec%202011%20-%20Final.pdf

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Yes thanks needs updating

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Thanks Ford.

If you get a few minutes maybe you could put the relevant stuff together and can make it a stickie.

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Thanks Ford.

If you get a few minutes maybe you could put the relevant stuff together and can make it a stickie.

 

what did you have in mind? list of codes? or an all encompassing list? or?

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Well this thread was started in 2007 and therefore I think would be an idea to do a new one which covers the relevant stuff for today.

The format /layout is not so important just that its reader friendly.

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Codes Of Practice

 

The Bankers and DCA's subscribe to their own Codes of Practice which they should follow. One reason they have these is to avoid further regulation. So, it seems in their best interests to adhere to them. But, they often don't, and the more they don't the more chance there is of regulation, which is something they don't want. Therefore, the Codes could and should be used to your advantage.

When dealing with a creditor always have in mind the appropriate codes of practice, and be prepared to use/cite them if required. If they don't follow their codes then consider complaining officially, to them and the authorities. As has been pointed out elsewhere, if they don't adhere they could be in trouble. If the authorities don't know about it, they can't do anything about it. (Not that what they would do would be of any use :) but it all adds up.)

 

Anyway, here are some Codes (the OFT 'guides' etc are posted elsewhere on site but should also be taken into account)

 

the Bankers Lending Code (which extends to where a debt is sold or transferred to a 3rd party for collection) http://www.lendingstandardsboard.org.uk/docs/lendingcode.pdf

 

the Credit Services Association Code (which most DCA's and now some solicitors subscribe to. and which needs updating) http://www.csa-uk.com/media/editor/file/CoP%20New.pdf

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Well this thread was started in 2007 and therefore I think would be an idea to do a new one which covers the relevant stuff for today.

The format /layout is not so important just that its reader friendly.

 

haven't got round to finishing one, started as above. will try and do so some time. :) or if you want to finish it off?

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Its ok can wait a bit....I have barely got time to look at my watch to see what time it actually is !

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