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    • I'm still pondering/ trying to find docs re the above issue. Moving on - same saga; different issue I'm trying to understand what I can do: The lender/ mortgagee-in-possession has a claim v me for alleged debt. But the debt has only been incurred due to them failing to sell property in >5y. I'm fighting them on this.   I've been trying to get an order for sale for 2y.  I got it legally added into my counterclaim - but that will only be dealt with at trial.  This is really frustrating. The otherside's lawyers made an application to adjourn trial for a few more months - allegedly wanting to try sort some kind of settlement with me and to use the stay to sell.  At the hearing I asked Judge to expedite the order for sale. I pointed out they need a court-imposed deadline or this adjournment is just another time wasting tactic (with interest still accruing) as they have no buyer.  But the judge said he could legally only deal with the order at trial. The otherside don't want to be forced to sell the property.. Disclosure has presented so many emails which prove they want to keep it. I raised some points with the judge including misconduct of the receiver. The judge suggested I may have a separate claim against the receiver?   On this point - earlier paid-for lawyers said my counterclaim should be directed at the lender for interference with the receiver and the lender should be held responsible for the receiver's actions/ inactions.   I don't clearly understand that, but their legal advice was something to do with the role a receiver has acting as an agent for a borrower which makes it hard for a borrower to make a claim against a receiver ???.  However the judge's comment has got me thinking.  He made it clear the current claim is lender v me - it's not receiver v me.  Yet it is the receiver who is appointed to sell the property. (The receiver is mentioned/ involved in my counterclaim only from the lender collusion/ interference perspective).  So would I be able to make a separate application for an order for sale against the receiver?  Disclosure shows receiver has constantly rejected offers. He gave a contract to one buyer 4y ago. But colluded with the lender's lawyer to withdraw the contract after 2w to instead give it to the ceo of the lender (his own ltd co) (using same lawyer).  Emails show it was their joint strategy for lender/ ceo to keep the property.  The receiver didn't put the ceo under any pressure to exchange quickly.  After 1 month they all colluded again to follow a very destructive path - to gut the property.  My account was apparently switched into a "different fund" to "enable them to do works" (probably something to do with the ceo as he switched his ltd co accountant to in-house).   Interestingly the receiver told lender not to incur significant works costs and to hold interest.  The costs were huge (added to my account) and interest was not held.   The receiver rejected a good offer put forward by me 1.5y ago.  And he rejected a high offer 1y ago - to the dismay of the agent.  Would reasons like this be good enough to make a separate application to the court against the receiver for an order for sale ??  Or due to the main proceedings and/or the weird relationship a borrower has with a receiver I cannot ?
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First of all can I just say that until I found this site I had no idea that there were so many people in the same boat as I am in. It has now been a great help and inspiration to read that so many people are taking on the banks and winning. I have now started the ball rolling and will now hopefully get something back at a time where I really could use a helping hand.

 

I did read the FAQs although some of the information went right over my head... I need to find a brain at some point.

 

I have opened another account in another bank and hopefully that will be the start.

 

I sent two DPA's on the 20th March, I have had statements back from one of the accounts, and have phones to query where the other set are and there is no record of them recieving my letter... thank god for recorded delivery!

 

Im now debating whether to send them a reminder letter or just let the 40 days elapse and report them... think Im going to let the 40 days elapse.

 

I have gone through the set of statements now from the first account, and found much to my amazment that I was charged a whopping £568 for a period of 12 months. Now that is an awful lot of money to me that Equates to a months mortgage or other bits and pieces I have had to do without over the last 12 months.. and I know there is another charge of £28 to go on there. Im now waiting for my statement to come through to show me where this has come from.

 

Thats one account down, Im now waiting for all of the other information to come through. I know the next account is going to be horrendous... Im fighting a loosing battle at the moment to keep afloat and its not easy.

 

However, all of the information here, and reading about everybody else's results has really helped to put determination to complete this effort.

 

Thanks to everybody this is just what I need.

 

Lynne

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Hi Lynne,

 

Welcome aboard the same boat...

 

Regarding DPA requests - you have made the request, and are not obliged to send a reminder. However, contacting the bank after about 30 days does 2 things:

  • Reminds them to get the info to you, so you can make a more accurate estimate of the refund you request
  • Demonstrates that YOU are making as much effort as possible to resolve the issue

However, if they don't comply, then you should report them.

 

As for the rest of it, you seem to have a reasonable handle on how the timetable works. Keep checking the following FAQ link, just to make certain that 4 weeks down the line everything is crystal clear:http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=243

 

Good luck.

Alecto, Magaera et Tisiphone: Nemesis on Earth is come.

 

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Just another update, sent two more letters to the Natwest, one asking for my charges back the other saying that their 40 days was up, I hadnt heard from them therefore, I was going to report them and I would like my statements.

 

got a letter back 4th of May saying nope you cant have your charges back... onto the next step now...

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Well I got all of my 6 yrs worth of statements, and I waded through them with a highlighter pen, then put them onto the spreadsheet... and I can't believe the amount at the end... a whopping £3553.50.. Im still in shock but my first request for payment is going off tomorrow, and also a letter before action for my other acount which doesn't have anywhere near that amount.

 

Im still in shock that I have paid so much in charges. Oh what could I do with that kind of money now...

 

spend it of course....

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Ah well it had to happen, I seperated my claims for my charges back and now have had a nice letter... from Stuart Higley saying I have all ready said that there is nothing at all I can do... go away and by the way I have informed the litigation team that of your intentions... thought it was too good to be true so... Ive started my money claim, saying that the combined total including interest is mind numbing, its over the £5k. Im still in complete shock now, I hope that this works I have faith and I will keep going with it... but a little bit nervious now.

 

I do have faith, I will win...

 

keep telling myself that as yet another £38 charge hit my account for what being over my overdraft limit by pennies.

 

Here goes

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Nat west aknowledged my claim today...

 

I think its a bit ironic it being 06/06/06 wonder if they are the devil...

 

ah well 26 days and counting

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In rbrears thread ('My claim against Natwest') they waited until the allocation questionnaire stage before giving in and refunding the whole amount. So stick with it and keep us posted.

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Egg - £400 - Prelim sent. On hold.

Mint - On the list Est £800

GE Capital - On the list (3 accounts!) Est £4000

 

MBNA - £545 Prelim sent 13/11/2006

LBA sent 1/12/2006

£350 partial payment received 18/12/2006.

Full settlement received 20/1/07

 

NatWest - Est £4000 not incl interest

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Statements received 24/1/07

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In rbrears thread ('My claim against Natwest') they waited until the allocation questionnaire stage before giving in and refunding the whole amount. So stick with it and keep us posted.

 

Im sticking with it... its strange I would have been panicing by now, but by keep reading the site, and sticking to the proceedures have actually given me confidence that I would normally not have...

 

My Mum on the other hand went into a huge panic when I told her what I was doing, shes 72 and thinks that the banks cant be wrong... but since shes never ever paid a bank charge, she also cant understand how Ive ended up in this mess.

 

But I have time, the clocks ticking and well I know its all going to turn out well.

 

thanks everyone for your help

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Ah well it had to happen, I seperated my claims for my charges back and now have had a nice letter... from Stuart Higley saying I have all ready said that there is nothing at all I can do... go away and by the way I have informed the litigation team that of your intentions... thought it was too good to be true so... Ive started my money claim, saying that the combined total including interest is mind numbing, its over the £5k. Im still in complete shock now, I hope that this works I have faith and I will keep going with it... but a little bit nervious now.

 

I do have faith, I will win...

 

keep telling myself that as yet another £38 charge hit my account for what being over my overdraft limit by pennies.

 

Here goes

 

Was the claim over £5k excluding the interest? If it was, I'm just wondering if this is why they are defending it, as this would entitle them to claim costs if they win.

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Was the claim over £5k excluding the interest? If it was, I'm just wondering if this is why they are defending it, as this would entitle them to claim costs if they win.

 

My whole claim was for £5092 including interest and charges, I had an extra set of charges that pushed the claim over the £5k and decided not to include those. I have not at this time heard anything from them, or had the questionaire yet so heres hoping...

 

Mind you I have had a letter from them telling me my account was being charged a referal fee, thats the first one in years... it got me wondering why?

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Just a quick update...

 

heard nothing at all, no questionaire nothing... ah well patience is a virtue I have been told...

 

But I want it to happen NOW!!

 

well they have until Friday to sort it all out...

 

weeee what a week this is going to be

 

I can hear that ticking clock

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Hi, well this weeks dragged, however, my claim was accepted on the 2/6 and that means that today is the last day for the natwest to file a claim. I need help because I have heard nothing at all, no phone calls no letters nothing, I keep logging onto the Moneyclaim site to see if they have logged a defence but nothing, not court questionaire...

 

Now the help bit, Is anybody at all out there in the same boat as me, Im hoping that I can get a default judgement as they havent filed. Also are the 28 days from me filing or them acknoweldging... I sort of know its from me filing but wanted to be sure...

 

I think it must be just me... i must smell or something and they dont want to talk to me...

 

thanks if advance for anybody that can help

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I phoned moneyclaim thought that they would be able to answer my question. I looked on the Faq and other posts and couldnt really find an answer... but money claim said that the 28 days started when they recieved the papers... thats 5 days after I submitted the claim... which means if they dont do anything before the 5th of July then I can win the judgement by default... which is all well and good... but its been 28 days since they acknowledged the claim... so really they have more time... ah well another 5 days to wait... takes me to wednesday next week... oh how I wish that time wouldnt drag...

 

eeek forwards and onwards, its not like i couldnt do with the money...

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Well today is the last day for natwest to file a defence... but watching others on here I reckon natwest will have either served the defence today or will late tomorrow... nothing is ever straight forward....

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natwest filed their defence today at the last possible moment... deadline midnight, so Im now waiting for my questionaire and letter from Corbetts... or should that be ronnies

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Just want to say good luck :)

Initially owed £76

Phone call to NatWest - £19 refunded

Now claiming £57

Visit to local branch - Nothing done

Initial letter - Standard refusal letter from Mr. Higley

LBA - Another refusal letter from Mr. Higley

Action filled Monday 7th August - court costs £30

Now claiming £87

10th August - Natwest acknowledge the claim, intend to defend in full

23rd August - Received a latter and cheque from RBS for the full amount

24th August - Send letter to RBS accepting payment on the condition that payment is not confidential

30th August - Payment cleared.

Case closed!

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Hi Lynne,there 's about 4 of us at this stage in our claim,Cobbetts will have sent you the same doc as us.Turn the last page back(crafty) on itself...does it say?

 

claiment ****

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defendant NWB

 

CPR PART 18 REQUEST

 

Part 18 does not apply to the small claims track.(CLAIMS UNDER £5,000)

Barracad says

There is no need to respond to part 18 requests other than to point out that you consider that the inquiry is intimidatory as part 18 is excluded and that you intend to bring the intimidation to the notice of the court.>

hopefully you will get your money back soon

Tim

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Hi Lynne,there 's about 4 of us at this stage in our claim,Cobbetts will have sent you the same doc as us.Turn the last page back(crafty) on itself...does it say?

 

claiment ****

and

defendant NWB

 

CPR PART 18 REQUEST

 

Part 18 does not apply to the small claims track.(CLAIMS UNDER £5,000)

Barracad says

There is no need to respond to part 18 requests other than to point out that you consider that the inquiry is intimidatory as part 18 is excluded and that you intend to bring the intimidation to the notice of the court.>

hopefully you will get your money back soon

Tim

 

Hi Tim

 

well mine doesnt say any of that however, im going through everything and i really dont think that the cpr18 rule applies either... however, trying to read round the posts to see if anyone esle is having that problem.

 

My brains trying to leak out of my ears at the moment, but Im not going to let this go now at this stage. The court is not far away so will be off there to hand in my questionaire in person if I can get it finished.

 

Lynne

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Well after battling my way though the cpr18 part i ditched it and sent corbets a nice letter saying that i imagine that because my claim not including costs was under (just under) the 5k I didnt need to send them the reply to their cpr18... so Im now waiting for a bog standard letter....

 

i am getting excited... but also I now can see a small blinking light at the end of the tunnel....

 

I so hope it works out ok....

 

it will I know

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Good luck

I'm about to do battle with NatWest as well so I shall be especially interested in where this goes.

 

Donethat

 

Do it ... dont be put off by them, they will try everything they can but in the end have faith in everyone on here thats WON!!

 

if nothing else you have the experience... and well its not going to throw you again...

 

Im amazed at just how much this site has helped in other areas... its great... I feel armed and dangerous....

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Thanx for your help Lynne... Fingerz crossed for you - this is an exiting read!!

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WEll....

 

The postman today delivered a nice missive from Corbetts... asking me if I would like to accept a 50% offer of what they owe me...

 

Im in the middle of compiling my "you have to be kidding" reply to them...

 

They have also asked if I would keep my mouth shut.... and not tell anyone... but Im not going to do that am I?

 

Well Im now starting to see the light at the end of a very long tunnel.... but you know... I now have both my sisters starting right now on their DPA's its amazing what a letter saying I can have money can do:D

 

so .... let you know what they have to say in the next couple of days....

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