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Hello,

 

Yes you do as HB said

 

Ensure to include what went wrong (i.e it was lost)

The amount claimed

set a 14 day deadline

 

 I do not hold any legal qualification.

Nothing I say is meant as or should be taken as legal advice.

 

 

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Before you do any of the above – Stop!

You need to spend a few days reading up on the stories on this sub- forum so that you understand the principles and you understand how to go about making your claim.
We will help you – and you have a better than 95% chance of getting your money back – but you need to be in control of what you are doing.

We will help you – but this is a self-help forum and you need to have done the reading so that you are confident of each step and you know your way forward.

Please don't do anything at all – in particular don't send a letter of claim – until you have done all the reading and I would suggest that probably you will start drafting your letter of claim over the weekend.

Also, you haven't told us anything about what has happened.

We don't know dates, items dispatched, value, whether they were properly declared, whether you bought so-called insurance, you have been declined reimbursement but we don't know why.

If you want us to help you then you will have to give us this basic information.

Also the fact that you are an eBay trader makes this slightly more complicated although it doesn't at all affect your chances of success. 

Read the other threads on this sub- forum – and especially the pinned threads at the top in order to understand the principles. You also quickly understand the kind of help that we will give you and you will understand some of the draft documents which have been used in other successful claims.

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Sorry but please could you post this up on the forum and not in an attachment. Thanks

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Thank you JK2054 and BankFodder for your replies. The information requested is as follows:

 

My wife and I are sole traders supplying bespoke, handmade wedding trays and other items through our website. We do not sell on ebay.

We had an order for two trays (invoice value £370) that were shipped on Monday 25th March. We used P2G as the broker and Evri as the shipper. We declared the value but did not take out insurance.

As the trays were a present for a wedding on Saturday 30th March we checked the progress of delivery on the Thursday to see that there had been an attempt to deliver on the 27th but the driver failed to deliver as the customer’s gate was shut (customer informs us that the gates are open between 7am-7pm. We contacted the customer who informed us she had been waiting in all week and there had been no attempt of a delivery.

Evri allege they attempted to deliver on the 28th & 29th.

On the P2G web site on the 4th April at 14.17 it stated that the customer refused delivery. At 14.28 it updated to say there was a problem with the address and at 14.32 updated to say the customer had refused delivery. At 14.35 updated again to say it was being returned. Last entry was on the 7th April that it was being processed at the depot.

We never received it.

I have had six web chats with P2G between the 4th-30th April. On the 26th April, I had an offer of £20 plus cost of delivery (£6.72) from P2G which I rejected.

During this time, I also contacted Evri that resulted in an email from Evri Customer Services (20th April) stating that they had lost the parcel. I replied requesting details of the attempted delivery but received no reply. After emailing Evri again on the 23rd asking again for the information I received a phone call from someone called Haleemah on the 25th who apologised and promised to send an email with a link to submit a claim form. I subsequently received an email with the link which only took me to a page that stated “Page not found”.

After informing Evri customer services of the problem (to which no reply was forthcoming) a couple of days later I retried the link but it only took me to the Evri website.

I believe that I have a good case against both companies but would appreciate guidance on which path to go down. I have read most of the information on this site, which has been very helpful and much appreciated, particularly the various court transcripts. I appreciate that this process is a marathon and not a sprint and am fully aware that I need to get everything in the correct order before starting on the legal road.

I am sure this covers the current position but if further info is needed please let me know.

 

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Thank you. You contacted directly with the parcel broker so your best option is to proceed directly against them for breach of contract.

I hope you have read enough to understand that you will not be able to rely on the Consumer Rights Act 2015. Do you understand why?

Have Parcel to Go giving you a reason for declining reimbursement? Do you have anything in writing from your customer which shows that they did not refuse delivery and which identifies the actual circumstances of the situation?

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Appreciate your response BankFodder.

I am aware that the Consumer Rights Act does not apply in my case as I operate a business and, instead, should rely on the

Supply of Goods and Services Act and Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977.

I was a little unsure as, when I read the judgement of Hashim Farooq v EVRi Parcelnet, July 2023 I presumed that,  as Farooq had supplied

laptops through Amazon,  the Consumer Rights Act would not apply but the judge refers to it in Section 22 as to why the claimant

should be given judgment. Have I read this correctly?

The reason for not offering full reimbursement was because I did not take out insurance for the full value.  In regards to correspondence from

my customer,  I have emails from her in my timeline stating that she was waiting all week and that no one attempted delivery.  I have no doubt

that she will be willing to corroborate the events with a written statement.

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Okay. I suggest that you begin by getting a written confirmation of the evidence you have – in other words a written statement from your customer confirming that he did order from you, what it was she ordered, how she paid, that the delivery failed even though she waited in for XXX days.

Did she receive any email notification of the forthcoming delivery? If so you want to get hold of a copy of that. Did you reimburse her? Confirmation from her that she was reimbursed by you £XXX.

Any other evidence you can get all statements from anybody – get it in writing. Get it now so that you are fully prepared and you don't need to go back and ask later after you have committed funds to bringing a claim.

Draft a letter of claim setting out your case and what you are asking for – and a timeline of 14 days after which you will issue the claim.

Don't expect them to respond to this with any thing positive. This is simply a formality. You aren't bluffing. On day 15 you will issue the claim. If you have any doubts and we stop now.

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Thank you BankFodder.

I will do as you suggest to get everything in writing first and will construct the letter of claim over the weekend.

Is it best to use the format for the letter of claim as the one on this website?

Lastly, did I read the judgement correctly for the Farooq judgement as its not quite clear to me which act I am covered best by?

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The 1982 act And the 1977 act

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That's what we're here for

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Dear Parcel2Go,

 

Re: Letter of Claim, Missing parcel delivery *******

 

As no acceptable offer has been made for the loss of my parcel it is apparent that court action may be necessary and I write in compliance with the Practice Direction on Pre-Action Conduct.

On the 25th March I booked through Parcel2Go for Evri to deliver my parcel to my customer.

The parcel was collected on the 25th March and arrived at the Evri hub on the 26th March.

Tracking the delivery status, first delivery attempt was on the 27th March which failed.

A second attempt was made on the 28th March which failed.

A third and final attempt was made on the 29th March which failed and the parcel returned to hub.

On the 2nd April the delivery status states that the customer refused delivery (my customer has confirmed in writing that no attempt was made to deliver the parcel).

On the 4th April it mentions that the customer refused delivery and that the parcel was delayed 24 hours but was back at the hub.

Last status on the 7th April was that the parcel was at the depot waiting to be returned to me - it never was.

I was informed by Evri support on the 20th April that my parcel was lost.

After three communications through your website message service and several emails I was informed on the 15 April by email from Parcel2Go that the driver attempted to deliver on three separate occasions and was now being returned.

I submitted requested documents for a claim of compensation on the 23rd April and received an offer for £20 compensation + the shipping costs of £6.72 which I rejected on the 27th April.

 

The contents of my parcel is valued at £370 + £6.72 postage costs and believe that, under Section 13 of the supply of Goods and Services Act, will seek full reimbursement if I do not receive a satisfactory response from you within 14 days.  If it goes to Court I will also seek recompense for time and stress caused.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

 

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I have just read it again and I see that you say that you are going to be claiming for time and stress. This is not recoverable loss so I think that you should leave it out.

 

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Just to update, received a revised offer of £75 from P2G after they got my LOC last Friday.

They stated that because it was not insured this would be their final offer.

Looks like we are going to court.

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Just to cover yourself, you should write them a letter in response telling them that you are rejecting their offer. That they know full well that their insurance is an attempt to limit or exclude liability contrary to section 57 Consumer rights act and is a secondary contract contrary to section 72. 

By the way was the offer made without prejudice or in confidence or anything?

Maybe you could post up their offer here please

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Thank you very much for your letter in regard to the above mentioned shipment. 
Due to the high volume of parcels coursing through the courier network each day, undergoing continuous processing and handling, certain packages may experience delays or even can get lost in the course of this journey. Please note that due to the time that has passed, this shipment has been declared as lost. 
I have today processed the claim and made offers to the value of £75 as a goodwill gesture without prejudice. I do acknowledge that you have mentioned in your letter that the value was higher, however, you did not take out any protection to that amount. The protection for this shipment was £20 and we will not be increasing our goodwill offer any further. 

 

Please log into your account online in order to accept our offer. Once accepted, our accounts department will process the claim accordingly. The claim payment will be processed and received within 7 working days.                                 

In addition, a refund of the carriage fee will be processed as a separate payment and will be received within 3 working days. 

If I can further assist, please feel free to contact me.

 

I have also just noticed that yesterday afternoon they sent me an email stating that "after my request" they have refunded the cost of shipping. I did not request the refund so will mention that in my letter as well.

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Please post up your response here before you send it off.

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It depends, is selling stuff online your main source of income?

 

 I do not hold any legal qualification.

Nothing I say is meant as or should be taken as legal advice.

 

 

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