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They then scan the bar code or QR code, which would require in depth knowledge to be able to alter. I asked if adidas had been to this "altered" post code to recover the goods. The tracking provided by Royal Mail remarked "delivered no signature" I pointed out that adidas claim I was refund within 18 minutes but also say they refunded me following a call I had made chasing my refund, a total contradiction The judge then moved onto his decision. He started by saying that he had no doubt whatsoever that Adidas not received the returned goods. At this my stomach totally dropped.  He then said he had absolutely no doubt that I had returned the goods in good faith, and that the return system was obviously flawed for Adidas to have lost £10.4m. Adidas had provided absolutely no evidence to prove otherwise, and on that basis case dismissed. I walked out to the car park with the Adidas rep who advised me that there was absolutely no chance I was ever going to lose. 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MET ANPR PCN - occupants left carpark - Appealed - Starbucks (closed) 346 SouthGate Park, Stansted, CM24 1PY

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For PCN's received through the post [ANPR camera capture]

(must be received within 14 days from the Incident)

 1. Date of the infringement 21st October 2023

2. Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 12th December 2023

3. Date received 13th or 14th December 2023

4. Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] Not that I can see

5. Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes

6. Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] Yes

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up Yes

7. Who is the parking company? MET Parking Services

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Stanstead Southgate Park

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under.



Hi all, 

I submitted an appeal shortly after receiving the PCN, and did not confirm that it was myself who was driving. I used the standard template to reply to these notices I found on this site. 

I have today received the attached reply (Appeal 1-5). 

How would you suggest I now proceed? 



NTK+Appeal reply+photos.pdf

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moved to the private parking forum.

 a private parking company are not s local authority and cannot issue fines only pointless speculative invoices

please read upload and merge all those files into one mass pdf in date order using pdf merge site.

next time never ever appeal..:frusty:

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the NTK is WAY!!!!!!!!! out of time.


please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to MET ANPR PCN - occupants left carpark - Appealed - Starbucks (closed) 346 SouthGate Park, Stansted, CM24 1PY

Hey, thanks for the quick reply, and apologies for posting in the wrong place. 

I can't see how to edit my original post, but I've merged the files as you requested in this comment. 

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This is a car park well known to us.  To be blunt - it is a scam site.  It has been exposed as a scam site on national television.

MET don't know who the driver is.  They can only go after the keeper by law if the invoice arrives within 14 days, which it hasn't.  So they have no-one to pursue ...

... that's unless you outed the driver in your appeal.  Did you?

It's an own goal, but not fatal, if you did, but we still need to know.

From what you wrote you didn't.  Can we see a copy of what you wrote in your appeal please?

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The PCN does not comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 which governs the private parking companies because it was sent out late. 

All that means is that the charge cannot be transferred from the driver to the keeper. Only the driver is now responsible to pay the PCN and as thousands of motorists are legally allowed to drive your car they will have a difficult job proving who the driver was. So well done for not revealing who was driving.

I notice that you did not post your appeal to Met. it would help if we could see what you said.

The sign they showed looks as if the font size is too small plus there appears to be too much information on the sign.  Font size is important as it is the basis of forming a contract between the motorist and the rogues.

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Thanks for the replies. 

I had to submit the appeal through an online portal, so don't have a copy of what I sent to hand. I used a template appeal letter for parking charges that I found on this site, but I can't find it! 

Again, following advise on this site, I did not name myself as the driver, only the keeper. 

So at this point, what do I need to do, if anything? Would the advice be to no longer communicate with MET, and ignore any correspondence? 

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I didn't think we had a template appeal letter, as we don't think it's the way to go. But you did the right thing by not outing yourself.

The advice is to keep correspondence but if you get a Letter of/before Claim, then you need to put together a snotty letter that we will help you to refine. If you're not sure if a letter that you get is a LOC, come back and check with us.

And if you move, then you probably need to let Met know in case they try to go behind your back.


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This Cagger got on to the organ grinder and got the charge cancelled.  Have a read of the whole thread.  This is the road to go down  https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/462450-met-anpr-pcn-occupants-left-southgate-premises-appeal-refused-starbucksmcdonalds-southgate-park-stansted-airport-cm24-1py-cancelled-by-euro-garages/

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for now, I'll stop contact with MET, and if they send another letter I can take things further. 

In the meantime, I'll try reaching out to Euro Garages like another user did to try and get the ticket cancelled. 

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