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    • sorry but that letter needs to be much much better. you need to express that it was a stilly youthful mistake trying to be the big man and jumping the turnstile to look big infront of your peers. TfL prosecutors are on the email address on their first letter. get the court form sent back to the court , (but copy it first) stating you plead guilty and wish to attend to address the judge in person face to face to show your genuine remorse for your stupid youthful exuberance.      
    • I thought I should send the begging letter to the prosecutor. Does the hearing means the time I need to send back by? If so, it’s June 5  I plan to send the new begging letter as following, can I ask for some suggestions? Dear Investigator/Prosecutor,  Thank you for your reply. I deeply regret my actions and the inconvenience they have caused.  I’m extremely remorseful for my crime. and regret it everyday. I often ask myself ‘’how can I do that thing just because I felt it is interesting. There are a lot of crimes in the world, but feeling it’s interesting is certainly not a reason to crime. I should not crime with any reason.’’ I think about these things every day, and I understand that I can’t blame anyone but myself.  I thanks to the staff who stopped me, as this is a valuable lesson in my life. I told myself that I should never ever repeat such a thing again, and never ever do anything which is possible to be in breach of any law. As a result, I carefully tap my oyster card every time before I enter the station now. I remind myself that I did a wrong thing before, and I should never let it happen again.  Although my monthly travel expenses do not warrant a season ticket, but I just renew my season ticket (please see the attachment). I understand that a crime cannot be truly compensated for, but purchasing a season ticket offers me a small measure of comfort, knowing that my actions caused a loss to the public interest.  I received an email which ask me to negotiate being class teacher in this summer (please see the attachment). I hope that I could teach the lovely students again, which may not be allowed with a criminal record. I would please ask that you would please provide me a single opportunity to settle all outstanding sums owed outside of court without the need for legal proceedings which would have a determinantal impact on my teaching career.  I sincerely apologise again for my crime. If you need anything further from me to help you please let me know.   Yours sincerely,
    • LoL Dx you crack me up. Thanks for the advice. I'll stay positive.
    • Utter Rubbish!! lowell dont write and beg for deals once they start court. as for your attitude, we'll thats nothing new for you.😎 you wont be quizzed, it's not like TV, simply refer to your defence/WS when answering anything the judge may ever ask. well it involves chickens. dx  
    • Thanks fk, I hope I don't have to face the court. Bless you for the reassurance. 
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Have a look what we have to say about good will gesture.

This is a nasty little company that goes out of its way to frustrate ordinary people who generally speaking don't have any legal help so that the company normally gets their own way.

They have no problem about wasting taxpayers money. About helping to increase the court backlog of cases so that people with legitimate claims are inconvenienced and of course taxpayers pay – and of course the parcel delivery companies simply parasite themselves on the back of it and when eventually they pay out, I am pretty certain that they set the payment against tax so that the taxpayer pays the burden as well.

This was entirely expected and I think I predicted it earlier on in the thread. They are trying to welch out on the interest element is a sort of face-saving gesture to themselves – and that is how much value they set upon their own pride.

EVRi are following the thread – so bravo EVRi. Don't forget that you are taxpayers as well so you are actually having also to shoulder the burden of money which eventually finds its way into shareholders and senior execs. At the lowest level I imagine very little finds its way into the pockets of the drones.

No problem about posting the documents here. Go ahead – in PDF format. I expect it will be just like all the others that have been posted here previously

 

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Check the figure they have offered you carefully. The absolutely certain that it doesn't include the interest element. If it does really meet the entire value of your claim including interest and costs then you have to accept. Even if they do try to say that it is without liability et cetera – the usual nonsense.

If you turn down an offer which is equal to the value of your claim – that if it goes to court you are at risk of having to pay the costs of the other side even though you lose because a judge will consider that it was unnecessary to bring the matter to trial.

So do your calculations.

 

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it is a real shame the law does not protect us from these companies with regards to our time, never mind interest. Being in the military I left the house at 0500 this morning and walked back in just after 1930hrs. I am then having to deal with this, taking me away from my family, during this fight my father in law spent 6 weeks in a coma, my wife beside his bed, over 400 miles from me. This company have dragged their heels, knowing full well they are in the wrong, causing untold amount of stress. That is not to mention the stress at Christmas when we had to purchase an additional PS5. Yet, like you said, they can drag it out and offer a good will gesture.

If the law compensated us for our time, then they may think twice about fighting these claims, well, trying to defend these claims.

If it was not for you and the other admins, they would 100% get away with a lot more

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Post up their witness statement lets go.

PDF attachment as from the email.

Also post up a copy of the text of their email

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Up to you really.

 

I'd redact your address and full name but case numbers make no real differnece because nobody can do anything unless they have claim number, email, address, and name

 

BUT

 

please post up the contents of EVRis email ASAP, im curious to see what they're saying

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Dear .......

 

Claim No.: 

Parties: .... v EVRi Parcelnet Limited (Evri)

 

We write in relation to the above referenced matter.

 

We would like to take this opportunity to apologise for the issues that you have experienced while using our services. In this instance, Evri recognises that the services provided to you have not been in line with the usual high standards that are expected.

 

Notwithstanding the above, we write with a view to settle the matter and as a gesture of goodwill with no admission of liability, on this occasion, Evri are willing to offer you £490.75 (the full amount claimed plus the court fee) in full and final settlement of your claim. 

 

If you would like to accept this offer, please provide us with your bank account details, including the name on the account, at your earliest convenience and we will arrange for the payment to be made. Once bank details have been provided, please allow 14 days for payment to be received into your account.

 

We look forward to hearing from you.

 

Evri Legal Department

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Yes you may as well act in a spirit of cooperation by telling them that it's not deal unless they pay the very last penny – but other than that you won't budge.

You can also tell them that if they really want to make a gesture of goodwill that they could at least pay that amount of money and then you will fight out the interesting court. Tell them that you are prepared to go all the way but as they are monitoring this forum and your thread, they know that already anyway.

Tell them also that they better remember your name because if they do this to you again you will be coming for them again

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Please see attached  defendant witness statement 

Interest is currently £7.40 owed 

I do like the fact they are sticking to their defence that my wife is not the customer and then on page 19, name her as the customer 

Defendant WS - -1-1.pdf

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Have you responded to them in writing about the outstanding interest?

You need to make response in writing and explain why you are accepting the offer and telling them what they need to do in order to bring the litigation to an end – meaning, the interest payment.

Please post a draft here

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I've got a feeling that maybe the OP went back and got paid but is now bound by confidentiality like mediation maybe?

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Mick,

I've redacted your last upload further. You left full names, titles, email addresses and physical addresses showing.

If you've been bound by a confidentiality agreement, you can message Bankfodder to let him know...

It will stay confidential, allow us to draw a line and possibly lock the thread.

We could do with some help from you.

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Hi all,

 

Sorry for the delay. I have replied back to their email stating along the lines of:

I am extremely grateful for your apology and recognition that the service has not been to the expected standard.  

I am sure you will also agree that my family should not be out of pocket due to the lapses in your service, and therefore, I would like to offer you the opportunity to accept my counteroffer.

I then went on to list the Interest £7.40 and provided evidence of the postage costs of the letters, court bundles etc. The total cost of interest plus letters was £20. I then made a counteroffer to settle at £510.75 

 

I hope that is right.

 

I have not signed a a non disclosure form.

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Evening all,

 

So today, I was sent an updated offer that includes the £12.60 I spent on letters, but they have declined to add the interest at £7.40. They have stating

'We acknowledge your request to claim interest to date, however, this would be at the discretion of a trial judge if the claim did proceed to a trial hearing.'

I think I am content with this outcome, and pushing this to a trial for a total interest of £15.30 throughout the claim does not make sense to me.

 

What are people's thoughts? I am sure our courts have better things to concentrate on?

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Yep, true to form, they are happy to just save a couple of quid... They invariably lose in court, so to them, that's a win. 😅

We could do with some help from you.

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I would stand your ground and go for the interest.

Even if the interest is not awarded you will get the judgement and the worst that might happen is that you won't get your claim fee

However, it is almost inevitable that you will get the interest. 

It is correct that it is at the discretion of the judge but the discretion is almost always exercised in favour of the claimant in these cases. 

I think you should stand your ground and don't give even the slightest penny away

Another judgement against them on this issue would be very bad for them and they would be really stupid to risk it but if they did, it would cost them far more than the interest they are trying to save which they will most likely have to pay anyway

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I would say You should accept it - I HIGHLY doubt you will  be able to claim for letters at trial ans they’re offering you that, which is higher monetary value than interest.

 

Also they raise a good point, getting interest at anything above 4% is lucky these days, yes judges give it, but rarily above 4%

 

Also you might find depending on the judge  you don’t get some costs if you take it all the way over £7.40 when court woukdnt award letters costs and thus meaning their award would be less than evris offer which was made 

 

Up to you though but the wait will be 3-4mo for a trial date at least

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Thank you all

 

JK, I agree; if they were to accept my full claim today, then the interest would be around 8-9 pounds. If I were them, I would have offered to pay the interest and said no to the 12 pounds for the letters. These have not been mentioned, which is my mistake.  

As you pointed out, if the judge were to award at 4% and I did not get the letters, I would get less.

 

Bank, thank you. I do hear what you are saying. If I am to continue with this, then I will need to pay an additional trial fee of £59. If I win everything, then great, but if I win less the claim and court fee, then I lose out. I am not sure what the judge will think about the interest. I think we have to remember that I won the item and, therefore, did not pay a penny for it. Yes, I have had to purchase an additional one, but maybe the judge will hold this against me.

I am content that this is a win. I have not signed any non-disclosure clauses, and they do not ask for this either in their offer. 

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Evening all,

 

I have deliberated over this offer for two weeks and I have decided to take their offer. I do understand that some may prefer us to go to court and receive a judgement but with our personal circumstances and my current military commitment that could become an issue.

I am so grateful for all the help and support you have all offered me over the last few months. I will continue to monitor this site and push all those that are being wrong to get in touch.

 

Thank you! what you all do is truly amazing!

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Thanks for updating us. Your decision is very understandable. Don't worry.

You have done very well standing your ground against these people in a way you have and you have got everything you wanted bar just a very few quid.

Congratulations

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