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    • March 23: As the coronavirus crisis escalates, the UK is placed into lockdown with strict limitations on travel. The Government guidelines state: “You should not be visiting family members who do not live in your home.” The prime minister tells the UK public they "must stay at home". People are warned not to meet friends or family members they do not live with. Those with symptoms had already been told to self-isolate     Friday 27 March: Downing Street On the day Cummings ran out of No 10, his wife, Mary Wakefield, appears to have been already ill, according to her Spectator article about the experience, in which she says: “My husband did rush home to look after me.”   Both Boris Johnson and Health Secretary Matt Hancock test positive for coronavirus, while chief medical officer Chris Whitty says he has symptoms of the disease and is self-isolating.   Mr Cummings said: "I suddenly got a call from my wife who was looking after our four-year-old child. She told me she suddenly felt badly ill." He went home and after a couple of hours his wife felt better and he returned to work. "There were many critical things at work and she asked me to return [to work] in the afternoon and I did." He then "drove up to Durham that night arriving at roughly midnight" with his family.     In spectator articles on 24th and 25th April * Wakefield (wife) wrote in the spectator that Cummings said “I feel weird” and collapsed 24 hours after he came home to look after her * She went on to explain that for the next 10 days “Dom couldn’t get out of bed. Day in, day out for ten days he lay doggo with a high fever and spasms that made the muscles lump and twitch in his legs.” * Cummings wrote that “at the end of March and for the first two weeks of April I was ill, so we were both shut in together.” * The following days, by Wakefield’s account, were a mixture of family idyll and health nightmare, as she made a “palace out of polystyrene packaging” with their son … even as Cummings’s breathing got so bad that she feared he should be in hospital. But 10 days after her husband first fell ill, she said, he began to feel better – just as Boris Johnson went into hospital. That would place the improvement in his condition around Sunday 5 April,     Sat March 28th Is apparently the day Cummings said “I feel weird” and collapsed 24 hours after he came home to look after her His wife went on to explain that for the next 10 days “Dom couldn’t get out of bed. Day in, day out for ten days he lay doggo with a high fever and spasms that made the muscles lump and twitch in his legs.” Cummings wrote that “at the end of March and for the first two weeks of April I was ill, so we were both shut in together.” 10 days from March 28th – would take us to the 7th April.   Mon March 30: Downing Street confirms Mr Cummings is suffering from coronavirus symptoms and is self-isolating.   Tuesday 31 March/1st April: Durham The police have said that on 31 March they were “made aware of reports” of Cummings’s presence in the area and had then contacted the family to “reiterate the appropriate advice around essential travel”.   2 April: During the night, Mr Cummings' four-year-old son "threw up and had a bad fever". Following medical advice, an ambulance took the child to hospital. He was accompanied by Mr Cummings' wife   3 April: Mr Cummings' son spent the night in hospital and woke up the next day having "recovered". He was tested for coronavirus and his mother, who was with him at the hospital, was told "they should return home". According to Mr Cummings, there were no taxis so he "drove to the hospital, picked him up and returned home". He said he "did not leave the car or have any contact with anybody on this short trip".   Sunday 5 April: The ‘Abba’ sighting (despite claims of ten days where he couldn’t get up with a high fever) Cummings alledgedly seen in Garden with AbbA blaring But 10 days after her husband first fell ill, she said, he began to feel better – just as Boris Johnson went into hospital. Which would place the improvement in his condition around Sunday 5 April, … Although the claimed 10 days after the 28th – the earliest point at which Cummings was said to have been symptomatic – would be the 7 April. The Guardian approaches Downing Street about the story, only to be told by a spokesman: “It will be a no comment on that one.” Mr Cummings said "after I started to recover, one day in the second week, I tried to walk outside the house". He confirmed he, his wife and his son went for a walk into woods owned by his father and it was at this point he was seen by passers-by but his family "had no interaction with them". The exact date is not clear but his second week isolating in Durham would have between 4-11th   6 April: At some point in the week leading up to this date, Mr Cummings discussed his decision to travel to Durham with the prime minister. "When we were both sick and in bed," he said, "I mentioned to him what I had done. Unsurprisingly given the condition we were in, neither of us remember the conversation in any detail."   Fri April 10: Number 10 is again contacted for comment regarding Mr Cumming’s trip by the Guardian. Instead of defending the journey, officials declined to comment.   Fri 10th/Sat 11th April: The 14-day period of Cummings’s isolation would have expired on 10/11th April, assuming it is counted from when Wakefield appears to have first fallen ill on 27 March or when Cummings fell ill 24 hours later.   11 April: Believing he had recovered by this date, albeit "feeling weak and exhausted", Mr Cummings said he "sought expert medical advice". "I explained our family's symptoms and all the timings and asked if it was safe to return to work on Monday or Tuesday, seek childcare and so on. I was told that it was safe and I could return to work"   Sunday 12 April: Barnard Castle Wakefield’s birthday, according to Companies House records – they allegedly made a trip to Barnard Castle, a charming town 30 miles from the Cummings’s family property, described on the English Heritage website as having “fantastic views” and “plenty to do for families on a day out”. That detail emerged in an interview with Robin Lees, a retired chemistry teacher who lives in the town. Lees, who says he has a photographic memory, told the Guardian he was “a bit gobsmacked” to see Cummings, and then was so incensed that he made a note of the family car’s numberplate and checked it online when he got home. Cummings acknowledges he drove to Barnard Castle, 30 miles from his parents' home in Durham, with his wife and child. He explained this episode as needing to test his driving was fine before making the long drive back to London. He said he'd been having problems with his vision   Tuesday 14 April: London The Guardian asked Wakefield to confirm whether the family had been in London throughout the lockdown period, but received no reply. Cummings was photographed back in Downing Street on 14 April   Sunday 19 April: ‘bluebell’ woods - Cummings and Wakefield in Houghall woods? Could Cummings have then gone back to the north-east from London? Downing Street is emphatic that he did not. The denial came after another witness claimed to the Guardian and Sunday Mirror that they had seen Cummings and Wakefield on a country walk in Houghall Woods, a beauty spot near his parents’ property in Durham. According to this account, Cummings said: “Aren’t the bluebells lovely?” Cummings says he did not return to Durham   Monday 20 April Cummings seen in London again   May 23: Downing Street statement: “Owing to his wife being infected with suspected coronavirus and the high likelihood that he would himself become unwell, it was essential for Dominic Cummings to ensure his young child could be properly cared for.” The statement said: “At no stage was he or his family spoken to by the police about this matter, as is being reported. “His actions were in line with coronavirus guidelines. Mr Cummings believes he behaved reasonably and legally.” Speaking outside his home, Mr Cummings reiterated: “I behaved reasonably and legally”. When a reporter suggested to him that his actions did not look good, he replied: “Who cares about good looks? “It’s a question of doing the right thing. It’s not about what you guys think.” Later at the daily Downing Street briefing, Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said Mr Cummings had the PM’s “full support” and that Mr Johnson “knew that he was unwell and that he was in lockdown”. Mr Shapps said it had always been permissible for families to travel to be closer to their relatives as long as they “go to that location and stay in that location”. Meanwhile, deputy chief medical officer for England, Dr Jenny Harries, said that travelling during lockdown was permissible if “there was an extreme risk to life”, with a “safeguarding clause” attached to all advice to prevent vulnerable people being stuck at home with no support.   Health Secretary Matt Hancock and Chancellor of the Exchequer Rishi Sunak have tweeted their support for Mr Cummings.   Education Secretary Gavin Williamson said on Monday morning that Mr Cummings had "set out absolutely clearly and absolutely categorically he didn't break the rules and didn't break the law". The attorney general, Suella Braverman, tweet on Saturday in which she quoted the full text of the No 10 statement on Boris Johnson’s chief aide in which the prime minister said he had behaved “responsibly and legally”.   (Disgraceful) Boris Johnson said at the weekend Cummings acted “responsibly and legally and with integrity”   “The PM’s risible defence of Cummings is an insult to all those who have made such sacrifices to ensure the safety of others,” said Johne Inge, the bishop of Worcester, on Twitter.   “What planet are they on?” asked a front page headline in the Daily Mail, an influential right-wing paper usually supportive of Johnson.   https://descrier.co.uk/politics/dominic-cummings-and-wife-tried-to-cover-up-lockdown-breach-in-articles-for-the-spectator/   https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/24/dominic-cummings-timeline-what-we-know-about-his-movements   https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/news/uk/timeline-the-coronavirus-lockdown-and-dominic-cummings-trip-to-durham/   https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52784290   https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/25/attorney-general-faces-calls-to-resign-defends-dominic-cummings-suella-braverman   https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-cummings/what-planet-are-they-on-no-respite-for-johnson-and-aide-idUKKBN2310UE   https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/05/25/what-plant-are-they-on-press-slams-johnson-and-cummings/
    • simply tell them on the phone writing only sorry as I might want to escalate this to the fos or court. sorry but no speaky..speaky   you night find this interesting?   https://www.theguardian.com/money/2012/jun/09/life-insurance-misselling-aviva-hamilton-life   dx
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post office WON 12/11/06

 

abbey.LBA sent 30/10/06.MCOL claim submitted 8/11/06.allocation questionnaire sent 16/12/06.schedule of charges sent 16/12/06.WON

 

2nd abbey claim SAR sent 3/1/07.WON.complaint letter sent 18/1/08

 

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It wasn't apparent until the police interviewed the cherry pickers who being honest folk & thinking they where not doing anything wrong probably readily admitted taking the berries. Upto that point it was only the word of one person which started the manhunt

 

I'm sorry your missing the point again. For the police to investigate the OP only had to make the allegation of a crime for there to be sufficient cause for action & I don't care if they did hand their money over willingly, at the time, until they do investigate they will not be able to say one way or another if a crime has been committed.

 

Again no one will know if a deception took place unless they investigate the allegations. The deception would occur if they claimed they wanted the money for one thing whilst all the time intending to use it for another. For example if after investigating it was found that there never was a bailiff knocking at the door that would be sufficient for a charge of deception.

 

They keep telling us but you seem to ignore, that the law requires they investigate ALL alledged crimes.

 

The con man did not tell the OP anything though that is the point. He went quite sandy asked what was wrong and after some persuasion he said he had financial problems. She then offered to lend him some money but he did not say he would use it for anything in particular. The inference was taken from what he said about his financial problems. There was no direct request for money and no direct confirmation what it would be used for.

 

Anyhow it looks like the OP has gone to ground now so we may as well forget the whole thing.

 

p.s. Happy New Year to you all.

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dont have any emails - as i regularly empty my box - i only have one text that says "thank you. i thought i would txt you to let you know; the money arrived in my account. Thank you so much for this"

 

Sandy - Depending on what email system you use you may find copies of sent/received emails you thought you'd deleted are still lurking around. If your email system has the facility for both offline reading and for reading via 'webmail' it might be worth logging in and double checking via the method you use less frequently.

 

Also, in serious crime cases am I right in thinking the police can get access to things like text messages that have been sent/received from mobiles? If this is so perhaps your network operator (Orange) is still storing messages that you've deleted from your phone and could supply you with copies. Also - double check your sent messages folder as your phone may auto-store them without you realising.

 

All long shots admitedly, but worth a try in the situation, as they'd be excellent evidence to back up your intention of it being a loan.


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if i was sandy i would be all over this site, getting FREE legal advice, etc but there hasnt been a post for ages.

 

i want to know if sandy has made any headway


post office WON 12/11/06

 

abbey.LBA sent 30/10/06.MCOL claim submitted 8/11/06.allocation questionnaire sent 16/12/06.schedule of charges sent 16/12/06.WON

 

2nd abbey claim SAR sent 3/1/07.WON.complaint letter sent 18/1/08

 

alliance and Leicester.WON

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joined on 24th last post on 25th - unless she's on holiday then I think she may have vanished.

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with reference to missing Sandy12, lets just hope she hasnt done something stupid, after all she did appear very ashamed and at a low point in the early posts,

a very sad story, lessons to be learnt if nothing else, and in all probablilty if she had mentioned that she had £6000 he would have needed £5000 and so on.

Sandy, if you are still out there, our hearts go out to you, too trusting but dont ever change, just learn from it

Good luck


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Could well be a very seasoned and clever con, I really do feel for Sandy. It's sad that you have to be so cynical in this world, really, when that's what you get for being so trusting and kind-hearted.

 

I do think that Sandy - if you're still reading - should go back through the history on her PC and look for stored conversations, attempt to retrieve old messages, which might prove that this was not intended as a gift. Without this evidence, even if the police could find the chap involved they wouldn't have anything to go on in a criminal investigation, as the criminal courts work on a basis of convicting "beyond reasonable doubt". It would be hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the money was not a gift without any hard evidence to back this up.

 

I think it's still a terrible shame though as this guy could be out there right now trying this on with who knows how many people. That's a very real worry.


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No one will know anything unless the police at least question the guy & ask what he has done with the money.

 

90% of ALL convictions are based on what the accused says when questioned.

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For all we know, the OP could be out for the sympathy vote and may be after some of our money in return. Just a thought, I'm going to get berated for this, but it could just be true.

 

Secondly, how long would it take to gain someone's trust in terms of hours/day? I cannot see someone making a living out of deceiving people in chatrooms and then running off with their money. More likely was that this person realised they could make a fast buck, and did. Then disappeared. I doubt it's a regular [problem] due to the massive amount of time involved -- e.g. who has £4k to spare?, how many people are willing to hand this out no matter how well you know someone? This "criminal" would probably need to spend hundreds of hours scouring chatrooms in search of a victim. Can't see it myself.

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They don't have to spend the time exclusively on each candidate - they could chat to more than one person at once and even an average of £1k per person or even £500 if they averaged that each week it would be a nice little earner. But I agree its probably not their full time job and just saw an oppertunity.

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For all we know, the OP could be out for the sympathy vote and may be after some of our money in return. Just a thought, I'm going to get berated for this, but it could just be true.

 

 

reading this I must admit that thought had also passed my mind! The only thing I find a bit strange is that the OP siad ' I'll go back to the police later' and then ' I;ve been back to the police' and this was actually on Xmas day ... how many people would do this on that day??? Also as the OP seems to have now dissappeared ... dare I sugest this could be a troll?

 

Anyway, I may be wrong n they are just my thoughts - who knows in this strange world we now live in!


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