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Quick update, although nothing much happening. Received AQ from Cobbetts and have lodged mine at Court. Daughter didn't open account with another bank as I advised her to do, her salary went into Natwest and they immediately cancelled her 500 overdraft, so after dd's went out she had no money for herself. No warning given, she just went to cashpoint to get money out and she was denied. She rang the bank and they told her then that they'd cancelled her overdraft. Nice!

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Help! Please.

 

Natwest are really playing dirty now. They cancelled daughter's overdraft which left her in a bad way all month. She set up a new account with another bank and now her wages go into there. New charges have since built up on her Natwest account, 300 in three weeks, basically for her direct debits failing. She has loan account which she has tried to set up dd to come out of her new account. Natwest won't accept it. They say it has to come out of a Natwest account. She has tried to pay cash but thats a no go as well. Trouble is, if she tries to put the money into her now redundant Natwest account, it will get eaten up by the bank charges and her loan will not get paid, thus equalling yet more charges. Bank says she has to pay off the 300 charges and her loan. She says she can't afford to. Natwest don't care. I suggested she pay the money into my Natwest account and I'll pay the loan, but to be honest, I don't really want to do that because I don't see why she can't pay out of her new Nationwide account. Natwest are just trying to make her life as difficult as possible. I'm sure I read on another thread about someone having the same difficulties and Natwest relented eventually. Can anyone offer any advice on this one please.

 

Meanwhile, we have heard nothing from the Court. AQ has gone in 2-3 weeks ago.

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Are you saying from her Nationwide account? Natwest are saying it has to be from a Natwest Account. I'm being a bit dim here but not understanding what you are saying. I don't think the standing order will be honoured from her own account as it is already 300 overdrawn.

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Hi all, I've noticed that Natwest seem to be settling in lots of cases and congratulations to all those people. However, it is making me very nervous as I haven't heard anything for weeks. I had to amend my POC about 4 weeks ago; took it personally to the Court and despite the claim being slightly over 5,000 I asked for small claims to be considered. I rang the court 2 weeks ago to find out what was happening and nice lady said that the case was before the DJ and I should hear something by the end of February. So went away happyish, but seeing all these claims being settled, it has made me very nervous. Me thinking that there is something wrong with my claim so Cobbetts are taking it all the way. I have followed all directions, but as I am claiming interest back on the loan I am thinking there is something wrong with that part of my claim. If the DJ allocates to Fast Track, does that mean I will be liable for costs if I lose? I wonder how many others are playing the waiting game like me?

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I think the pennys finally dropped if they pay out before court it saves them money.:rolleyes:

Things dont seem to be moving any quicker if you're already at court stage though, maybe cobbetts will speed up a bit if there are more claims settled before it gets to them, fingers crossed.

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Hi all, I've noticed that Natwest seem to be settling in lots of cases and congratulations to all those people. However, it is making me very nervous as I haven't heard anything for weeks. I had to amend my POC about 4 weeks ago; took it personally to the Court and despite the claim being slightly over 5,000 I asked for small claims to be considered. I rang the court 2 weeks ago to find out what was happening and nice lady said that the case was before the DJ and I should hear something by the end of February. So went away happyish, but seeing all these claims being settled, it has made me very nervous. Me thinking that there is something wrong with my claim so Cobbetts are taking it all the way. I have followed all directions, but as I am claiming interest back on the loan I am thinking there is something wrong with that part of my claim. If the DJ allocates to Fast Track, does that mean I will be liable for costs if I lose? I wonder how many others are playing the waiting game like me?

 

Anj - your calim is more or less exact same as mine.

I pay my loan from a HSBC account by SO and have done since last August.

I claimed teh loan interest and they paid out 10 days before court hearing was due.

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I hope it will be the same for me. But until we get that cheque in our hands I am going to worry that something is wrong. I'm sure others feel the same. I just hate this waiting game! When this case is all sorted, we are going to put in a complaint about Natwest cancelling the overdraft facility without informing us first. Because they did that the account is 300 overdrawn just because of bank charges they put on because they didn't pay the direct debits. I know in the t&c it states that they can cancel the o/d whenever they like, but without telling us?? How bad is that?

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Advice needed please. I wonder if anyone can help me. My daughter has set up a standing order, as advised by Nattie, for her loan payments. Natwest have turned the payment down, not accepting it and have been hounding her today for the payment. She has offered to pay cash, but they won't accept it. How can she sort this problem out? Natwest are saying the only way is to pay off the charges on her account and have the money come out of her Natwest account. Its nonsense. Can anyone help?

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They just sent the money back and then rang daughter up to say she hadn't paid!! Natwest wouldn't accept any payment but then on the phone, woman said that they would accept payment from a credit card on this one occasion! To be honest I am inclined to complain to Financial Ombudsman now about their whole "retaliation".

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They initally refused to take mine from a different account, but I complained very loudly in the branch that I wanted to know where it was in their T&C that they could insist on this - they couldn't said it was an implied condition - and gave in when I started telling the queue about CAG and the claim I had issued against them:D

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I'm considering writing a letter of complaint to the Financial Ombudsman, copying in Natwest, regarding Natwest's retaliatory action in cancelling overdraft facility without notifying us first. Also to complain about their unhelpfulness regarding the loan, i.e. not accepting cash or standing order from another account. What do others think? Is this a good idea at this stage?

 

We got out Court date yesterday so we are about to get our Court bundle ready.

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The terms and conditions on a loan is that it is serviced through a natwest account, however the loan has an account number and sort code and there in theory should be no reason for the payment not to go there on a set date. I will have a look back and edit this again shortly.

 

Can you get her to confirm that the account number and sort code were correct for the loan and that the payment has been returned to her account? I can advise further

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Yes, account number and sort code correct and the money has been returned to her Nationwide account.

 

Another alternative we could consider is that she puts the money into my account and they take the money from there. Not keen on that just in case my account goes into default which to date it has never done.

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Quick update: I sent off my court bundle to Court and Cobbetts at the end of March. They have until 26th April to send me theirs. I have heard nothing from them. A big fat zilch! Diddly squat! When I see other people getting cheques, I can't help feeling a tad worried about this. My case has been going on since last October and some people who have started their case much later are getting paid. Should I ring Cobbetts tomorrow or just wait to see if I get a court bundle back from them by 26th?

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anjipl,

Won't do any harm to ring them. I also think they are swamped under with claims, and its very much a lottery on who is getting paid out and when. Hang in their your'e very close. Good luck.

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Good things come to he who waits

 

 

Its your money taken unlawfully from your account and you have a legal right to claim it back.

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Yes gizmo, I'm claiming just over 5 grand. So yours took a long time as well, thats comforting. Cobbetts have to contact me either way before 26th April otherwise I believe I can apply to the Courts for a Judgment due to non-compliance. 2 more weeks to go......

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