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    • DX100UK  ill try to give as much info as i possibly can. this situation goes back to early 2022 i purchased a pc from an online company mac group ltd it was ordered and paid over the phone but they kept changing the delivery date so i ended up phoning them up and cancelling the order and got a full refund then thought it was done with,there was no hp agreement just to be clear. then i was told by mac group the pc had been delivered to mine and had it tracked to my address with a different inital but correct surname no photo of said parcel,so basically ignored it as i was dealing with my dad and my brothers estate which seamed more important as i thought the situation with the pc would sort its self out but it didnt it escalated in to mac group issuing a ccj against me and got the court pack from northants,visited by bailiffs on 3 occasions which i did not engage with,but didnt realise i needed to turn up at court so it was thrown out. mean time ive moved and they dont know my new address but started to email me jan 2024 stating they intend to recomend their client to bankrupt me,got some advice from cab re: applying the case to be set aside but as you will see from the paperwork ive uploaded it was struck off and i have no idea why as the court staff are not legally trained to tell my why when i phoned last week. mac group applied for a n244 statuary demand i am really worried ill lose the house if they do bankrupt me but i do realise i should have dealt with it sooner but i was grieving for two family members not sure thats a good enough reason. thanks. dcbl_Redacted.pdf mac group.pdf
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Hello, I hope you can help with this!

 

First, a heads up: the difficulty might be that we’ve only found out about the parking fine after more than a year. This is because the car in question was still registered to a house we own but which we haven’t lived in. We’ve now updated the address, and this lovely letter has today appeared.

 

It’s a Letter of Claim for parking in the private Shepherd Street car park in Liverpool on 14th September 2021. 
 

I paid at the end of the stay, using their card machine, and obviously paid the amount displayed in full. I have the transaction in my bank statements.

 

I’m aware that the car park is known for exactly this problem. There’s a thread here from someone who was fined for parking there apx a fortnight after we were there, and I note the comments in that thread on inadequate phrasing of signs. We don’t have access to photos of signs from 2021 and the ones in that thread are no longer available. 
 

There’s more about the same problems in this article too: 

WWW.LIVERPOOLECHO.CO.UK

Mark and Gillian Edwards were 'shocked' when they opened the letter

 

 

Having said this, my partner in particular isn’t the type of person to take the chance of an appearance in court going wrong, or to send irate letters in the hope of avoiding court. 
 

Please can you help? 

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Despite the sympathetic reporting, the Liverpool Echo is wrong to call these things "fines".

 

They are not fines, they are invoices from a private company.  A private company doesn't have the power to fine someone.

 

You need to send the fleecers a snotty letter to show them you've sussed their game and you'd be big trouble for them if they did do court.

 

But you have a month or so to do that.

 

Please fill in the forum sticky.

 

Presumably because of the move you haven't got the original invoice or any other paperwork, right?

 

 

We could do with some help from you.

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Thanks so much for this. 

 

If they have no power to fine people then how are they getting away with saying they’re working in partnership with bailiffs ‘as seen on tv’. This is on the letter they’ve sent. What a world we live in. Anyway…

 

I don’t have a claim form, just a Letter of Claim, so can’t answer many of the questions on the form. I’m also not sure about registering an MCOS at this stage?We’re wary of doing anything official until we’ve had advice. I’ve attached a photo of the letter as a doc, though. And this is the form with the answers I can give:

 

Which Court have you received the claim from ? 
I can’t see a court mentioned in the letter

 

 

If possible please scan redact and upload a full page copy of page 1 of the claim form. (not the response page or AOS)

 

 

Name of the Claimant :

ParkingEye Ltd T/A Car Parking Partnership

 

Claimants Solicitors: 

DCB Legal

 

Date of issue – 

Letter is dated 04 Jan 2022 (I don’t know when the original letter/s would date to)

 

What is the claim for  

The vehicle with registration number ———- ("Vehicle") was parked on private land ("Land") managed by our Client. The signs displayed on the Land set out the Terms of parking (i.e. "the Contract"). The Vehicle was parked in breach of the Terms and as such the Contract was accepted and a PCNs) was issued. You are liable as the Keeper or Driver. The details of the PCN(s) can be found in the schedule at the bottom of this letter. Payment was due within 28 days of the PCN(s) being issued but remains outstanding.”

 

 

What is the value of the claim?

£170

 

 

 

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Sorry, I'm an idiot and I uploaded the wrong sticky!

 

Let me sort it out.

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OK, apologies for uploading the wrong sticky.

 

There's not much point me putting the right one as you never received the original paperwork so can't give us details anyway.

 

I've converted your DOC file to PDF.  Your personal details show on DOC.  Best to keep the fleecers guessing!

 

You need to SAR the fleecers and get your hands on their original invoice.  You also need to formally tell them about your new address otherwise they could easily sent a county court claim form to your old address and win by default.  So, two birds with one stone.  Tomorrow SAR them but insert as a first paragraph -

 

"Firstly, would you kindly note that I no longer live at XXXXX, instead my new address is XXXXX".

 

Stick in some I.D. such as a Council Tax bill otherwise they will use lack of I.D. as an excuse not to cooperate.

 

Send 1st class and make damn sure you get a free Certificate of Posting from the post office.

 

Then in about three weeks you will need to respond to their Letter of Claim to ridicule their case and put them off doing court.  All the excellent work you've done in investigating the car park will come in very handy.  It's also superb that you've got proof of payment.

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Thank you very, very much for this. I’ll talk with my partner about it tomorrow and get moving on it. 🙏 

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