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    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
    • In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us] 1 defendant   Which Court have you received the claim from ? County Court Business Centre, Northampton   Name of the Claimant ? LC Asset 2 S.A R.L   Date of issue – . 28/04/23   Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for –    (1) The Claimant ('C') claims the whole of the outstanding balance due and payable under an agreement referenced xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and opened effective from xx/xx/2017. The agreement is regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 ('CCA'), was signed by the Defendant ('D') and from which credit was extended to D.   (2) D failed to comply with a Default Notice served pursuant to s87 (1) CCA and by xx/xx/2022 a default was recorded.   (3) As at xx/xx/2022 the Defendant owed MBNA LTD the sum of 12,xxx.xx. By an agreement in writing the benefit of the debt has been legally assigned to C effective xx/xx/2022 and made regular upon C serving a Notice of Assignment upon D shortly thereafter.   (4) And C claims- 1. 12,xxx.xx 2. Interest pursuant to Section 69 County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from xx/01/2023 to xx/04/2023 of 2xx.xx and thereafter at a daily rate of 2.52 to date of judgement or sooner payment. Date xx/xx/2023   What is the total value of the claim? 12k   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Yes   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? N/A Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes, but amount differs slightly   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. DP issued claim   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Not that I recall...   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Not that I recall...   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Yes   Why did you cease payments? Loss of employment main cause   What was the date of your last payment? Early 2021   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No   -----------------------------------
    • Hello CAG Team, I'm adding the contents of the claim to this thread, but wanted to open the thread with an urgent question: Do I have to supply a WS for a claim with a court date that states " at the hearing the court will consider allocation and, time permitting, give an early neutral evaluation of the case" ? letter is an N24 General Form of Judgement or Order, if so, then I've messed up again. Court date 25 May 2024 The letter from court does not state (like the other claims I have) that I must provide WS within 28 days.. BUT I have recently received a WS from Link for it! making me think I do need to!??
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UKPC(L)/QDR ANPR PCN claimform - 13mins overstay - Taunton Retail Park, Hankridge way, Taunton TA12LR


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Hi, I haven’t used this forum for ages but it helped me loads in the past.


Im now helping an elderly friend who’s  ignored a parking charge notice and now has a CC online claim against him from U.K. Parking Control Ltd.

 

Regardless of rights and wrongs he was 13 minutes over the limit. At the time he was infirm waiting to go into hospital for an operation and various friends and neighbours, used his car to do his shopping. He’s unable to confirm if he was driving. 
 

I understand they will need to prove he was driving and if so he was aware of the contractual terms, so I get the points regarding the defence but as I haven’t done anything like this for years I would appreciate a little help in positioning a holding defence and also the time lines involved.
 

The issue date is 13th May, I believe service is 5 days so that’s 18th . Acknowledgment is 1st June and defence by 14th June ( I’m just checking I’ve got these right, anyway we’ve filed acknowledgement so here we go. 

 

I’ve looked to see if there are defence  templates but can’t see anything appropriate so any help would be welcome.

 

Thank you
 


 

 

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I assume this is in England.

 

Please can you give us the information asked for in this sticky (copy and paste into your reply with the answers to each question). Note there are different questions depending whether it was windscreen ticket or one sent thought the post after being photographed by an ANPR camera.

 

Have you received a Parking Ticket? - Private Land Parking Enforcement - Consumer Action Group

 

Also upload a copy of the court claim that your friend has received as a single multi-page pdf document. Cover up all personal information including claim/reference numbers.

 

How to Upload Documents / Images as PDF on CAG - Guides and advice on using the forum - Consumer Action Group

 

 

 

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Thanks for the fast response. I looked at the sticky but he’s not kept any of the notices and just ignored them until now when he’s received the Northampton claim.

 

I will complete what I know and upload anonymous claim form will that be sufficient?

 

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Please complete this

 

Well move you on correctly once we have all this info

 

Dx

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Whatever else you do, do not reveal who was driving.  It may be that the first PCN was not compliant with the Protection of Freedoms Act  2012 which prevents the parking crooks from transferring the alleged debt from the driver to the keeper. If the keeper is not liable therefore, the last thing to do is to reveal who was driving.

 

Moving on to the  13 minutes over time, we should be able to get over that fairly easily so all you have to do is get their paperwork done in time and the rest should be fairly easy. UK Parking Control probably aren't the worst parking company. in the world but if the worst one was to close down, I'd be worried if I was UK PC.

 

In the meantime could you please get  the questionnaire on post 5 completed so that we can give you and your friend the best help and get him out of having to pay a penny.

 

 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to UKPC(L) ANPR PCN claimform - 13mins overstay


 

Date of the infringement  21/12/2020

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 29/12/2020

 

3 Date received  Not Known. 
 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? Yes
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? No
 

6 Have you appealed? No
 

Have you had a response? N/A
 

7 Who is the parking company? U.K. Parking Control Ltd

 

8. Where exactly Taunton Retail Park, Hankridge way, Taunton TA12LR
 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. Yes POPLA

 

If you have received any other correspondence, please mention it here- MCOL Summons, Copy attached with NTK PDF.

 

Edited docs now attached.

 

claimform+NTK.pdf

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Had to remove PDFs personal detail was visible …I will resubmit

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The PCN is not compliant. Therefore the keeper is not liable for the debt. 

 

First they have used the ANPR camera times of the car entering and leaving the car park when what they have to do is record the actual time parked. Big difference. If you subtract the time it takes from entering the car to finding a place to park then manoeuvring the car into the space keeping the car within the lines. 

 

Then leaving the parking spot at the end of shopping  and driving to the exit which can take time if it is busy. That can easily take five or six minutes so you are well within the ten minute minimum grace period.

 

So the PCN should not have been issued as no offence occurred and the keeper has a claim of breach of his GDPR. The going rate for that breach is between £500 and £750 which rather outdoes their puny £100 charge.

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The standard 3 line defence then, and leave the  non complianceof PCN for WS to avoid them cooking up lies?

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Thanks for the replies. Interestingly when  I looking at the car park notices and their positions etc I did see a very  large private lorry loading some goods and  also parked in such away as to block about 4 cars from getting out their places, 


I can’t get the defence down to three lines…is there a link for this please?

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you already have it in the link i posted before scroll down to defence

but dont file it yet please

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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pop up on the MCOL website detailed on the claimform

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register as an individual on the Gov't Gateway Site
Go to HMRC's login page.


Click the GREEN sign in button.
Click “Create sign in details”
Enter your email address where asked.
You will now be emailed a confirmation code. ...


You will now be issued with a User ID for your government gateway account.
 note down your details inc the long gateway number given, you might need it later.
 

then log in to the MCOL Website

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select respond to a claim and select the start AOS box.

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then using the details required from the claimform

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defend all

leave jurisdiction unticked.

click thru to the end

confirm and exit MCOL.

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get a CPR 31:14 request running to the solicitors

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?486334-CPR-31.14-Request-to-use-on-receipt-of-a-PPC-(-Private-Land-Parking-Court-Claim


type your name ONLY


no need to sign anything

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you DO NOT await the return of paperwork.

you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 from the date on the claimform.

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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On 26/05/2022 at 18:15, dx100uk said:

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Well move you on correctly once we have all this info

 

Dx

 

you need to complete the above please.

 

dx

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to UKPC(L)/QDR ANPR PCN claimform - 13mins overstay - Taunton Retail Park, Hankridge way, Taunton TA12LR
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Hi  quick follow up

 

I’ve placed the defence and completed the DQs and wondered if anyone had any case law or specific quotes for the consideration period and the grace period that allows the 15 mins combined.

 

We've  not got a hearing date yet but I’m just getting all my ducks in a row. I’ve got the BPA code of practice and the .gov Parking Code of Practice, which nicely shows a matrix of suitable times, along  a nice local news article related to the difficulty parking in that car park where it took the journalist 20 mins to park and another 20 mins to get out?

 

I’m okay with the court protocol just needing additional reference points around the initial consideration and Grace periods before I move onto contract between parties , signage ( which looks compliant) and other aspects.

 

I don’t for one minute think this will get to a hearing but just trying to get as much prep done now to save my time as this is for a friend and I’ve got a long vacation planned later this year and Sods Law says that’s when it’ll come in…

 

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It will goto a hearing.

 

What defence did you file? And I hope you didn't give the sols your email/phone on their dq copy?

 

Dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I’m starting to collate a witness statement for a parking charge hearing and just need some clarification on the bundle documents.
 

With the references to case law, do I need to include the whole judgement summary or just a copy of the relevant section contained within it. I understand the courts hierarchy so it’s reference other county court examples of strike outs by a district judge?
 

Thank you.    

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  • dx100uk changed the title to PPC PCN Claimform - at WS stage - what do i need to include re Ref'd Judgements i'm using

no you dont .....but ref the relevant claim number.

 

please complete this:

 

post up your defence

and their WS if you want further help.

 

dx

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thanks CX 100uk, that’s great thank you. I’m at the witness statement stage now. But just to clarify I can use same level court hearing summaries?

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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What we try and do B3rty is to wait whenever possible for their WS so  that we can pick holes in it thus strengthening your own case and casting doubt on theirs.

If you go to the Sticky section of he Private parking section and look through PPC Successes for inspiration and help initially. Once we know what your points are we can then advise on whether just the relevant part of the case law will suffice.

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