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    • Hi I received a Parking Charge letter to keeper on Monday 15/04/24, the 17th day after the alleged incident. My understanding is that this is outside the window for notifying. The issue date was 08/04/2024 which should have been in good time for it to have arrived within the notice period but in fact it actually arrived at lunchtime on the 15th. Do I have to prove when it arrived  (and if so how can I do that?) or is the onus on them to prove it was delivered in time? All I can find is that delivery is assumed to be on the second working day after issue which would have been Weds 10//04/24 but it was actually delivered 5 days later than that (thank you Royal Mail!). My husband was present when it arrived - is a family member witness considered sufficient proof? 1 Date of the infringement  arr 28/03/24 21:00, dep 29/03/24 01.27 2 Date on the NTK  08/04/2024 (Date of Issue) 3 Date received Monday 15/04/24 4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012?  Yes 5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes 6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] No    Have you had a response?  n/a 7 Who is the parking company? GroupNexus 8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Petrol Station Roadchef Tibshelf South DE55 5T 'operating in accordance with the BPA's Code of Practice'  
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    • Huh? This is nothing about paying just for what I use - I currently prefer the averaged monthly payment - else i wouldn't be in credit month after month - which I am comfortable with - else I wold simply request a part refund - which I  would have done if they hadn't reduced my monthly dd after the complaint I raised (handled slowly and rather badly) highlighted the errors in their systems (one of which they do seem to have fixed) Are you not aware DD is always potentially variable? ah well, look it up - but my deal is a supposed to average the payments over a year, and i dont expect them to change payments (up or down) without my informed agreement ESPECIALLY when I'm in credit over winter.   You are happy with your smart meter - jolly for you I dont want one, dont have to have one  - so wont   I have a box that tells me my electricity usage - was free donkeys years ago and shows me everything I need to know just like a smart meter but doesnt need a smart meter,  and i can manually set my charges - so as a side effect - would show me if the charges from the supplier were mismatched. Doesn't tell me if the meters actually calibrated correctly - but neither does your smart meter. That all relies on a label and the competence of the testers - and the competence of any remote fiddling with the settings. You seem happy with that - thats fine. I'm not.    
    • Evening all,   So today, I was sent an updated offer that includes the £12.60 I spent on letters, but they have declined to add the interest at £7.40. They have stating 'We acknowledge your request to claim interest to date, however, this would be at the discretion of a trial judge if the claim did proceed to a trial hearing.' I think I am content with this outcome, and pushing this to a trial for a total interest of £15.30 throughout the claim does not make sense to me.   What are people's thoughts? I am sure our courts have better things to concentrate on?
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yes , they should sent a copy. 

1 hour ago, dx100uk said:

thankyou

dont use email. use 1st class stamp get free proof of posting from any po counter, it does not hurt if its a day or 2 late you are a LiP (litigant in person - joe public against the system- you get certain leeway)


https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/347310-legal-n180-directions-questionnaire-small-claims-track-correct-at-sept-2016/#comment-5088148

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yes to mediation (unless you filed our Statute Barred Defence OR this is a claim for a Private Parking Ticket)

1 wit you

Suitability for determination without a hearing? no (read all the posts in N180 link above for the reason)

the rest is obv

1 to the court

1 to sols (omit phone/sig/email)

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how many more times are people going to post what you must do?

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1 hour ago, Reds123 said:

can I say "no" and simply put the the reason down as factual disputes - will need to be orally argued?

Yes

1 hour ago, Reds123 said:

because 

1) they have not responded to the CPR - Not provided a proof of contract with the owner and PP 

2)PCN was non-complaint 

3)Parking time was not stated on the PCN

No

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FOLLOW THE GUIDE REDS!!

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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You can send a SAR at any time, but as you have the original paperwork I don't see the point.

Just get the DQ off.

After that, if you can get pix of the "change" from 2 hours to 3 hours' free parking it would be extremely useful.

Any reply from the retail park?

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I have the picture of the 3 hour change . Need to sit down and post it.

They did respond . But as some of you pointed out earlier, it probably was too late for them to intervene once £35 was paid by PE towards court fees. So they said they couldn’t do much.

will fill up the DQ and post it.

meanwhile I have received a 20 page defence statement from the same lady as in  @Reapstars case  from PE.

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meanwhile I have received a 20 page defence statement

a claimant does not file a defence statement :noidea: they are not the defendant... you are!

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Yes spot @dx100uk
I am technologically paralysed. So some times I get my son to do scan documents. That’s what I am waiting to do. 
 

meanwhile I will sent my DQ to them.

in the DQ I say “ no” to mediation ,there is a place to sign . Now as above you have asked me not to sign . So shall I just write my name there? And I have requested the court to be held closer to my home. Dose that sound ok??

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as its a parking ticket not a credit agreement, there is no risk of it being lifted onto any fake documents.

the defendant can sign it ok. the sticky is one for ALL court claims not just PCN's.

just, again, for clarity. do NOT give them any phone or email addresses on their copy.

 

dx

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Here is the online copy . hope its fine.

when can I expect to go to courts and when do I need to  file my defence statement please ?

Got a few points marked out from your comments earlier on the threads also from others cases by reading up here and there. Still have some questions as above. 

DQ N180.pdf

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god please learn to spell correctly on a court form!

you do not need the 1st sentence anyway ..utter rubbish. doesnt make sense anyway.

as for the rest...you have already filed your defence.

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Here is the response from PE, also the latest signage, which says maximum parking time of 3 hours.

sure @dx100uk.

I just typed something in a hurry to ensure I was doing it right .

will correct the spellings before I post It off . 

If not for the support on the forum and directions from here, I would be a nervous wreck . esp if you see the 20 page document !!

newPE signage.pdf PE response.pdf

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how do you expect us to read the small print on that sign picture when its soo small and off rotate

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I've only skimmed through the bilge from Sammy, as we've seen nearly identical rubbish sent out in several PE cases recently.

I think it would be a good idea to get lots of photos of the 3-hour signs, both close-up and how they can be seen from vehicles, for your WS.

There's no need to mention the change from 2-hour to 3-hour in your WS, just ignore that and show loads of 3-hour signs and put PE to strict proof that the signage was different in April 2022.  They certainly won't be expecting this line of attack.  And Sammy will have no info about the changeover date.

Also get on to the council and find out the original planning permission and its allowances for free parking - I bet it was 3 hours.

As for your other questions about the legal process and what comes next - if you read this short thread you will see all the steps that are coming  https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/406892-highview-parking-anpr-pcn-claimform-urban-exchange-manchester-claim-dismissed/#comments 

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I tried looking at council website. But no clue as to where to look it up.

does “private parking restrictions “ come up as separate entity?

how would saying signage was different in 2022 help me? Unless the parking permission said 3 hours?

 

@dx100uk a better version of it.

Pe signage.pdf

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planning section

under the name of the retail park

probably initial grant planning permission document from many years ago , should be there.

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Can you please post the MCOL status ?

 

Also when did you send back your DQ and how? (e.g by email or by post etc)

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we know northants bulk ccbc is going through a very big system change and a rename , and hane only just recently said they'd just updates case status to 4th oct, so your dq was sent after that date. if theres no update by friday i would email your dq to them.

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I found this on the Chelmsford planning portal which was updated  on January 2023. 

WWW.CHELMSFORD.GOV.UK

Find out details of the Riverside car park, including location, number of spaces and charges.

So is this a different car park from the Riverside Retail park or has PE not applied for planning permission 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to ParkingEye ANPR PCN PAPLOC Now Claimform - Overstay - Riverside Retail Park, Chelmsford, Victoria Road, Chelmsford, Essex, CM1 1AN

the claimform says 

Riverside Retail Park, Chelmsford,
Victoria Road, Chelmsford, Essex, CM1 1AN

that riverside car park is on the otherside of the same (victoria) road (A1099) and a differing CM11PA

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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there is no link, :eyebrows:

the claimform clearly states the postcode of the carpark concerned in your case.

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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