ParkingEye ANPR PCN PAPLOC Now Claimform - Overstay - Riverside Retail Park, Chelmsford, Victoria Road, Chelmsford, Essex, CM1 1AN

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Their  PCN is not compliant with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Therefore PE cannot transfer the alleged debt from the driver to the Keeper. You have done well not to appeal so PE does not know who was driving and as anyone who has an insurance policy is able to drive your car.

 

I know the poor dears think their PCN is compliant but it is not and one of these days they will find out- but that is for the future.

 

The reason for the non compliance is that instead of providing the period of parking they provide the arrival and departure of the car. Big difference especially with three children on or two perhaps needing to be strapped in to a baby car seat which also adds to the time being parked therefore less time  being over the 2 hour  waiting time-perhaps even being less than two hours and ten minutes since there is a minimum grace time of ten minutes. 

 

So if you work out the time to drive from the entrance then find a place to park; then actually park it correctly between the lines and then get yourselves and three children out of car that is the start of the parking period.

Next you all return to the car, load up the boot  with goods lad up the children, return the trolley and then go back to the car and turn on the engine and pull out if all is clear. That is the end of the period of parking. 

The time it takes to move out of the parking space  and reach the exit does take several minutes and will depend on how busy the car park is at the  time.

 

 

If you don't live too far from the car park  photographs of the signs, especially the entrance sign , any sign s by the pay machine if there is one and pictures of signs that have different wording on them. Please try and ensure that once the pictures are taken they can be read by geriatrics like me when posted here.

 

So well done for not appealing so that PE do not know who was driving. That is important since it may have been your spouse, a relative or even one of the older children-even on L plates that could have been driving. That is why we advise not to appeal since one can inadvertently slip up and say that I did something rather than the driver did something-it is an easy mistake to make.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Rather than a snotty letter this time perhaps one that gets them thinking whether to drop this.

 

I had to laugh when I saw how quickly you have pushed this case through to threatening Court action. Could it be that as the Private Parking Code of Practice has been temporarily withdrawn you though you would sneak this one through hoping that Judges and motorists hadn't read it?

Oh dear. A PCN that is non compliant, no Council planning permission and you still don't know who was driving. No wonder you do not want to serve up this junk of a case after the whole of the new Act comes into force.

What? You didn't know some of it has already been in force? That the  BPA Code of Practice has not been complying with the Law?

 

And who do you choose as your legal aid?  Gladstones? They may not be the worst solicitors in town, but if the worst one does close down Gladstones should be worried. Elms? No sniggering at the back. QDR? Seriously? There is always DCBL if you want to lose a case. Mind you they are all incompetent and perhaps more interested in garnering their own fees rather than trying to win an unwinnable case for you.

The gravy train has come to a halt. If you have any sense, or should I say if you can see beyond your usual greed, this is one you should pass on.

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There is a new Act coming in to force which clarifies the current Protection of Freedom Act 2012.

One of the things it does is to confirm that the ANPR camera cannot be the period of parking as once you have entered the car park you have first to tfind a parking place-in your case probably a parent and child place. They may be full and you have to wait for a car to pullou

 

Then you have to manoeuvre your car into a space perhaps taking a couple of tries to get the car completely between the lines. This is the driver doing all that, not the keeper. Then the children have to be unbuckled and once everyone is unloaded, the car locked and the parking T&Cs read, the parking begins.

On returning to the car, the children  are rebuckled in, the trolley unloaded and returned to its place before moving away from the parking spot. That is the parking period not the rubbish they claim with the ANPR cameras.

 

Here is the new Act. Some of it should already be included in present cases but are not since it would cramp their style[ ie they would not be able to rip off motorists ] so they don't want to use it. At the moment the Governmant has temporarily withdrawn it because BPA have objected to it [they know the gravy train is coming to and end so they are stalling. Nevertheless  the Law is coming and as it is the will of parliament, Judges are likely to agree with motorists rather than the parking rogues.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/private-parking-code-of-practice/private-parking-code-of-practice#duration-of-parking-period

 

 

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I was aiming for civilised snotty not snobby. I am sorry if I missed the target.

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They have six years to make up their minds so just keep all your paperwork in case they pluck up their courage.

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On post 32 PE responded to your snotty letter . What they failed to say was that the keeper  could not be held liable for the debt because they had screwed up the PCN. In addition the not specifying the parking period  Schedule 4 S9 [2] [a]

(2)The notice must— (a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates; 

they also got it wrong on Schedule 4 S9 [2] [e]  

(e)state that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and invite the keeper—

(i)to pay the unpaid parking charges; or

(ii)if the keeper was not the driver of the vehicle, to notify the creditor of the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and to pass the notice on to the driver;

Did their PCN ask you the keeper to pay the debt? No they dd not.

Did they ask you to pass the Notice on to the driver? No they did not. So massive fail.

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But could you please post up what they have sent. Given 20 pages they are bound to have boobed somewhere which you can exploit.

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I found this on the Chelmsford planning portal which was updated  on January 2023. 

Riverside car park

WWW.CHELMSFORD.GOV.UK

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Find out details of the Riverside car park, including location, number of spaces and charges.

So is this a different car park from the Riverside Retail park or has PE not applied for planning permission