UKCPS PCN reminder letter March 2022 - Greenoaks, Widnes

[DAVEB71]

Hello everyone

 

I've received a letter last week from UKCPS (attached), regarding a 'no stopping' parking fine it says I owe from 20/01/2022.

It gives the place I stopped but its more of a general area so I'm not entirely sure where they mean,

 

also this says this is a reminder letter, when in actual fact this is the first correspondence I've received from them.

My son has told me to just ignore it but I'm not really comfortable with that as I wouldn't want things to spiral.

They're asking for £130 in 14 days which I cant afford,

 

the thing is I'm quite switched on to places you're not supposed to park as being a disabled driver I use the car for everything, and on the odd occasion a warden has asked me to move I've done so,

 

this is obviously an ANPR capture,

can anyone advise please as my next step and apologies if the info is on here I couldn't find it.

 

Cheers

Dave

 

Edited March 14, 2022 by dx100uk
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[brassnecked]

They have not sent any other ticket?   I had to remove your pdf as vehicle details still showing, if you could redact them and repost please.    is there car park signage  where you stopped as looks like its a shopping precinct?   And its a No Stopping rather than a Parking event, so if so that's a prohibition/.

 

Could you answer the questions on this sticky as much as you can

 

[DAVEB71]

Hi brassnecked

I've only ever received this one from 10.03.22, I've just had a drive around in the last half hour and it looks like a car park near our market, there are signs there but I honestly only noticed them because I was looking, thing is though I've stopped there loads of times over years without issue, and I've seen loads of people parking up there, I never get out though I always stay in the car.

Cheers

D

[dx100uk]

58 minutes ago, DAVEB71 said:

I've received a letter last week from UKCPS (attached), regarding a 'no stopping' parking fine

 

where does their paperwork say this is a fine please?

 

 

[dx100uk]

this isn't gateway house Piccadilly is it?

 

 

[DAVEB71]

Sorry Parking charge

 

 

Ive attached the revised scan

 

 

ukcps pdf edited scan (rev)-combined.pdf

[dx100uk]

Yes a speculative invoice for breaking some imaginary contract.

 

Get that link done too please

 

dx

[DAVEB71]

For PCN's received through the post [ANPR camera capture]

(must be received within 14 days from the Incident)

 

Please answer the following questions.

 

1 Date of the infringement 

20.01.2022

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 

10.03.2022
 

[scan up BOTH SIDES as ONE PDF- follow the upload guide]

done

 

3 Date received 

11.03.2022
 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] 

Yes
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? 

No
 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] 

No
 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up 

N/A
 

7 Who is the parking company? 

UKCPS Ltd

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] 

Greenoaks, Widnes
 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under.

It tells you to appeal to them in writing, it also says about complaints and if not satisfied with there response the refer complaint to IPC
 

There are two official bodies, the BPA and the IAS. If you are unsure,

please check HERE

Both sides of letter attached

If you have received any other correspondence, please mention it here

 

……....

 

 

 

 

[dx100uk]

urm..the reminder letter says to the company secretary...

so its a company car??

how do you know its an ANPR capture?

they cant detect a stopped vehicle

 

dx

 

[DAVEB71]

No dx its not a company car, its a motability car and maybe I've said that wrong, it would of been CCTV

[dx100uk]

so the original paperwork would have gone to Motability Ltd and they gave your name?

or is the V5C under your address as registered keeper?

 

dx

 

[DAVEB71]

Im down on my car docs as 'the hirer' and motability are down as the 'the owner'

 

[dx100uk]

who is the registered keeper on the cars V5C from DVLA?

 

dx

 

[DAVEB71]

Ive just checked as you only get sent this from motability on request which Ive just remembered I did back in 2019, and I'm the registered keeper

Edited March 14, 2022 by DAVEB71

[FTMDave]

To be sure, SAR UKCPS tomorrow and get a free Certificate of Posting from the post office.  It only costs a 2nd class stamp and will mean you're certain where they sent the original paperwork (if indeed they did send anything) and you'll know the dates of their letters which is useful to see if they've bothered to respect the POFA 2012 requirements.

[DAVEB71]

is there a template letter for the SAR

[honeybee13]

Yes, click on the letters SAR in any post and you go to a page with instructions. 

 

HB

[DAVEB71]

Would it not just be better to go for the jugular so to speak rather than sending a SAR, as I've double checked with Motability this morning and I'm definitely the registered keeper of the vehicle

[dx100uk]

What do you mean by going for the jugular??

 

to whom..by doing what??

[DAVEB71]

I mean addressing them directly over the charge

 

its a figure of speech obviously

[FTMDave]

Er - you obviously haven't been reading other threads about UKCPS.  Thye never, ever, ever accept appeals or admit they were wrong - ever.  In your case it seems they never sent you an original invoice as an excuse to make you pay the full £100 rather than the discounted £60 for early payment.  Plus they've now invented an extra £30 Unicorn Food Tax with no basis in law whatsoever.  They are utter charlatans.  Surely you can understand there is no point in reasoning with such con artists?

[DAVEB71]

I didn't say I was trying to reason with anybody mate, (I feel a bit like I'm walking on egg shells here if Im honest),

 

truth is I have no clue on these matters hence the posting and asking those who do, you must appreciate that so don't get offended if my wording is a little off,

 

I'm looking for your advice and I appreciate any thats given, and like you I suspect, want to stick it to these thieves by not giving them a single penny if I can help it

[lookinforinfo]

The only time you should go for the jugular is in your Witness Statement if they decide to take you to court which is by no means certain. By then you will know everything you don't know at the moment.

 

Such as-

1] was their Notice to keeper compliant-if not they cannot transfer the alleged debt to the keeper.

2] are they asking for the correct amount-most try to overcharge 

3] is their claim lawful

4] do they have a  valid contract 

5] doe the contract allow them to pursue you to court-quite a few don't. If they don't, why bother to deal with them after that

6]   how does the new government Code of Practice strengthen your case 

7] have they breached your GDPR so possibly putting several hundred pounds into your pocket

etc etc.

 

You cannot speed up the process-it is long term to avoid paying a penny. If you want short term , pay them now. When dealing with the crooks who run the parking scams the more you know about them the less likely you will get ripped off.

The sar is the start of the process to see what has happened since you allegedly parked in Widnes.

[DAVEB71]

lookinforinfo, thank you I shall start the process today and update as it comes in

[dx100uk]

sar sorted again