Caught with relative's freedom pass - multiple uses over many months

[orangeflower]

Hi team, 

 

I was caught with relative's freedom pass today...Read quite a lot of information here and in Google, so became really scared about the consequences...to be honest I did not know it might be so serious.

 

They took my details and said to expect the letter...How long does it take them to send it? Would you know please?

 

Thank you. 

 

 

[dx100uk]

They have i believe 6 mts...

 

is this the only time youve used it or ???

 

await the letter

 

if you search in the forum ive now moved you to, you should see lots of like threads to read ..

 

Dx

[orangeflower]

Hi, thank you for your reply. 

 

If to be honest not the first time unfortunately. I was using my credit card for a major part of a journey and just for a few stops I was using the pass. Not every day though

I had an idea that it works as someone else's oyster if to borrow from your relative's..

 

Up to what time they can they check the records?

Thank you.

[dx100uk]

Not good then as they might follow your credit card use and then see you pulled the same stunt before, then follow the pattern back from there.

 

its fraud, those cards are funded by the public purse. Youll have a very hard time getting an ooc sadly. 

 

DX

 

 

 

 

[orangeflower]

If I only knew but now it's too late.

 

..Any possibility that I apologise etc and ask them just for some sort disciplinary action plus cover what was unpaid?

 

I'm lone parent, in charge of 4 people in the family, so absolutely no no for any criminal record...otherwise will be unable to find a job anywhere...

 

Have you met it finished just with the fine?

 

Maybe with solicitors help it can be sorted?

 

Thank you.

Edited January 26, 2022 by dx100uk
added A few blank lines only..dx

[dx100uk]

Sorry but you knew from day one it was criminal for you to use it, don't try that one please. 

 

so when did this start please, rough date, and i will guess this was a daily work travel routine?

 

gauging you r number of possible uses will help going forward.

 

was the person this card was issued too also using the card at the same time period

 

 

[orangeflower]

Hi, I am honestly did not know that this could be counted as 'criminal' otherwise I would never ever have used it. I spent far too many years trying to built my life in UK that I wouldn't ruin it like that..I didn't know that this may be so serious. I saw people paying the fines in the tube sometimes and this is I thought max what can be.

My history was always clear as I never been in anything like that before 

 

It was used several times this month 

 

I do not see the number..could you resend it please?

 

Thank you 

[honeybee13]

Hi.

 

What number do you mean, please? I'm not clear.

 

HB

[orangeflower]

Hi

 

I probably didn't get that expression then:

'gauging you r number of possible uses will help going forward'

 

What number it was talked about as per above? 

 

Also, as per my previous question could you advise if the solicitors can help?

What is the shortest time the letter was sent to anyone? If it takes up to 6 months then it will be all stressful...

 

Thanks

 

[BankFodder]

I think the number referred to by my site team colleague means the number of uses.

I don't think a solicitor will make any difference – it will simply cost you money.

The best policy is to be completely open and frank. Unreservedly apologetic and certainly resolve not to get involved in this again.

 

[honeybee13]

I agree with BF about using a lawyer, usually expensive and doesn't help.

 

The letter from TfL generally takes six to eight weeks to arrive.

 

You also asked how far back they can check, it's two months for a Freedom Pass. I don't know if they can check your credit card.

 

We also suggest that you include evidence that you've been paying the full fare since you were caught.

 

HB

[orangeflower]

Thank you, all. 

 

I regret that I was using it and I hope there will be a chance to assure them it won't happen again plus to apologize. I am proper tax payer and was never into a breach with anything before.

Will wait for the letter first then. 

 

Also, will my relative be unable to get the pass back in future? Would you know please?

Poor thing that person thought there is no harm of borrowing it as the rules were not known or understood properly due to language barrier...

 

Thank you.

 

[honeybee13]

I don't know what the procedure is for getting a pass back if it's been confiscated, maybe dx does. Or you could Google it. 

 

HB

[dx100uk]

i believe your relative can ask for it back.

 

[orangeflower]

Thank you, all. 

[dx100uk]

Now..

Circle back to post 2

 

Dont do anything till you get their letter please!!

Dont email/write/dont chase the pass yet.

 

As youve not yet got a letter if your relative request s pass return, they might make your case worse, as they would be pressured to state if they knew yoy had it or not....theft!!

[orangeflower]

Hi, certainly, I will wait for a letter first. 

No actions till then.

 

Thank you dx100uk for the heads up

[orangeflower]

Hi all, 

 

I received the letter today. Quite quick if to think that it happened on Wednesday.. It says that I have 10 days to reply if I 'accept' committing an offence.

 

I wanted to ask, if you know, what is maximum fine, which could be please?

 

Also, in 2020 during the lockdown and working from home I did not use my annual travel card for three months and I did not claim these money back from TFL. The amount was around 700 GBP.  TFL got these money for its budget without me using their services.

 

I know it is not a great defence of my actions however do you think I can mention that in my explanation and apologetic email? I can prove my annual travel card's purchase by credit card's statement.

 

Thank you. 

 

 

[dx100uk]

dont be silly you know thats not what you should do.

oh i didnt use my pass for xxx time,  i paid for that so i'm ok to use someone else and defraud the public???  dont go there.

 

time for a begging grovelling letter.

 

[orangeflower]

Ok, I am not going to use it but in the end of the day they did not return that amount to me thinking that they were taken from my account for nothing...And I did not use the travel card - that is true. 

We all were seating at home on those days. 

 

Would you know about the max fine please? 

[dx100uk]

To be dealt with afterwards then!!

 

there is no 'maximum fine'

 

all this info inc what you need to write are in threads here.. You must read them. Cag is self help too

 

pop your letter up and we'll help .

 

DX

[orangeflower]

Thank you DX. 

 

I will start to write the letter which I will send via email to them..

 

If I attach my PDF here for you to look through can I later detach it?

Thanks

[dx100uk]

Why..if people removed all their pleading letters theyd be none here for you to read and learn from.  Cag is about helping everyone now and in the future, not use us and run.

 

Dx

[orangeflower]

Oh no, I won't.

As I am new here, so was checking how it works with the samples etc.

Your advice is much appreciated.

 

Just do not want someone will copy and paste being a copycat 

[dx100uk]

each case is diff.

 

and why shouldn't someone use parts of your letter...as you will the ones already here....