Djokovich case

[Manxman in exile]

I know this is probably the wrong board, but it will probably be more appreciated here rather than elsewhere.

 

I'm currently watching a live stream of the Djokovich trial in Oz.

 

It's quite funny because Djokovich's legal team don't appear to have paginated their bundle correctly, which is causing the three federal court judges some inconvenience...

 

 

[Manxman in exile]

It's the Federal Court of Australia channel on Youtube.  

[honeybee13]

I think the thread's fine here, MiE.   We did mention Djokovic on the Mutating virus thread as well.

 

It seems it's fairly unusual for court proceedings in Oz to be this easy to view but I think it was the right thing to do. Now we just have to wait for a decision.

[honeybee13]

Appeal dismissed, with costs. ETA: The judges' decision was unanimous. This means Djokovic could be deported and banned for three years from Australia.

 

Now we're waiting to see if Djokovic's legal team discuss whether they want to apply for any orders.

[unclebulgaria67]

Thought this was all very odd.

 

One of the exemptions from vaccination was a positive Covid test within a time period. To have a positive Covid test and to then take part in various public events, then visit other countries, before arriving in Australia. 

 

Perhaps if the Djokovic team had worked more closely with Aussie federal Government at every stage, then this whole saga could have been avoided ?  

 

Shame that the current champion, a 9 time winner, is not able to defend.

[honeybee13]

The Australian public may not be too upset. The last survey I saw said that 83% didn't want Djokovic there. They don't like rule-breaking or hypocrisy any more than Brits do.

[tobyjugg2]

But

1. he apparently did not meet the detail of the exemption requirements (time wise) according to attached

2. He did not meet the requirements (aka wasn't infected hence had no exemption) when he applied to play in November - it occurred/'appeared' later

3. Any discrepancies regarding any claimed infection should automatically negate it (it should be watertight)

 

 

 

Real reason for Djoker’s exemption revealed

WWW.NEWS.COM.AU

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Court documents have revealed Novak Djokovic tested positive to Covid-19 in mid-December, just over two weeks before he travelled to Australia.

 

 

 

Seems to me he didnt meet the requirements when his application was made.

Could be he didnt have to prove anything at that stage - but how did he know he would 'achieve' that infected exception?

Edited January 16, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

..

 

and was that exemption a proper medically certifies exemption - or some dodgy self swab which changed status .. as it seems to be reported

[honeybee13]

Indeed I thought the court case concentrated more on technicalities and possible flaws in the reasoning rather than whether Djokovic met the conditions. Maybe not a legal reason, but he doesn't seem to worry about keeping to the rules about self-isolating and seems to have been economical with the truth over travel in the two weeks before the tournament.

 

As you say, there are doubts about the test and someone has also asked what he planned to do in the event he didn't manage to test positive a couple of weeks before he travelled.

[tobyjugg2]

 

“The following has now been clarified as a category for which you may be eligible for a temporary medical exemption: Recent PCR-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection (after 31 July 2021) where a vaccination can be deferred until six months after the infection,” TA said in a letter to players and their teams.

 

The same document also made it clear that any applications for a medical exemption needed to be sent “no later than Friday 10 December 2021” — six days before Djokovic tested positive — meaning a positive Covid test would have come too late for TA’s exemption guidelines.

Djokovic missed exemption cut-off by six days

 

Let alone that he quite clearly seemed to juggle the actual date of knowledge of his alleged infection to allow him to masklessly mix with youngsters and others

 

 

Anyway all other issues aside, lets ask the first question first:

He applied for his visa without  required exemptions at the time, and without any intention whatsoever of being vaccinatated (not that he had time)

- why? and how did he think he was going to be allowed access?

 

Notes:

* I don't know, but Its probably a simple tick box of 'do you meet requirements and can you supply evidence' on the original application

* There was clearly some issues with this known as the Aus tennis association said they had confirmed a prior infection (within stated limits/requirements) could or did allow an exemption

(technicality - also included statement that infection exemption meant vaccination could be deferred form 6 months - not refused)

 

 

Edited January 16, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

Good points, TJ. I still think there are holes in the story.

 

OH [tennis fan] thinks Djokovic could have problems getting into the States for the US open if he doesn't get vaxxed.

[honeybee13]

Djokovic may not be able to defend his French Open title this year, according to the sports minister. I thought one of their ministers, can't remember who, might have said otherwise during the problems in Australia but this doesn't sound unreasonable.

 

Djokovic’s French Open title defence in doubt after Covid pass ruling | Novak Djokovic | The Guardian

WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM

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France rules all athletes will have to be vaccinated for sports events while French MP Stanislas Guerini says Novak Djokovic’s behaviour is...

 

[unclebulgaria67]

Wonder if Downing Street are turning their garden into a tennis court.

 

The Downing Street open.  Anyone for Pimms ? 

 

It appears there will always be at least 10% in every country who won't be vaccinated, either through choice or for medical reasons. 

 

Mandating vaccinations with only limited exemptions is understandable policy, but will cause issues in many different ways due to the number of people involved.

[tobyjugg2]

France says no exemptions - quite rightly given their policies

See the pics of No-Val at the airport with his mask just over his mouth and chin? - demonstrating what a bad influence he would be for any nation seeking to roll out a vaccination program and mask wearing ?

 

 

Yep 10% likely to refuse vaccination

If they survive, it could be seen to at least partially make their point from a purely self centered point of view - the other aspect of course is protecting others