London Congestion charge paid but for next day

[axil23]

I was in London last month and after driving in central London I logged on to pay the congestion charge once in the hotel. I must have just crossed over into past midnight while doing it as they are saying I have paid for the Sunday and not the Saturday. I now have a bill for £80 even though I paid the charge of £15 albeit past midnight. But I thought it gave you option to pay within 24hrs or something? 

 

First time in years I have been to London and after I punched in my vehicle details it told me £15 was due. I can't recall seeing any pick dates option. 

 

Anyway since the car is a lease they have sent bill to them and I now have a bill for £105. Anything I can do? 

Edited January 7, 2022 by axil23

[dx100uk]

pers i would put in an appeal as you didnt get the PCN directly.

 

 

 

also explain too about it just rolled midnight, show proof of payment from the APP or bank statement.

 

dx

[axil23]

I spoke with TFL and they simply dismissed it saying they did not get payment for that day so its due. 

 

Its a lease so the registered owner is the leasing company so I guess they have billed the right person and been paid for it too. The leasing company paid them with a few days and only just informed me. 

[dx100uk]

hang on.

you mean the lease company has paid the PCN directly then decided to bill you and add another £15 on top for their 'admin' charge?

 

i dont believe they are legally allowed to do that, they were not the driver.

 

i think we've seen them charge £15 for forwarding on the PCN to the driver

but never one paying it to TfL directly.

[axil23]

Yeah they paid them and then charged me £25 for their admin fees. 

 

I guess technically they are right but I genuinely thought I was paying for the same day. I wasn't even in London the next day as we flew away on holiday.

 

If I take it to appeals do I have anything to stand on?   

[dx100uk]

you might find this useful

 

 

[axil23]

Thats fine. I have no issues with the penalty charge being issued to my lease company. They have actually been very cooperative and provided me with a letter that gives permission to discuss case directly with TFL. 

 

I would be very grateful if you can advise any route I can contest this ticket as I did actually pay it albeit after midnight. I can't recall selecting the date. 

[dx100uk]

you did not receive the PCN 

thats a good enough reason to start a statutory declaration i believe.

[dx100uk]

PS you need to read that WHOLE thread.

 

dx

 

[axil23]

15 hours ago, dx100uk said:

you did not receive the PCN 

thats a good enough reason to start a statutory declaration i believe.

 

That thread suggests that the owner of the vehicle is responsible for the fine. In my case the owner has paid the fine and billed me as per the contract I have signed with the lease company. I don't see what angle we can use to say that I did not get the PCN. 

 

Thank you so much for your help. Usually I would just pay the bill but I honestly don't feel this one is right as I paid it albeit a few minutes late. 

[dx100uk]

First time we've we've seen a lease or rental company pay a demand themselves here.

 

We normal see and they should by law i believe, send it back naming the driver.

 

i believe they have done this to make extra money when they should not be doing so.

 

Dx

[axil23]

So I should get back to them and dispute it with the fact that I was responsible and they did not inform me so they need to cancel it and refund Lex Autolease? 

 

I know lex have got it in their contract that they will pay any parking fines etc and bill me for them. 

 

Can I dispute the fact that I left the country at 8am the next day and the car was parked up at LHR from 7am? The payment I made was for the previous day when I had driven in London? 

Edited January 8, 2022 by axil23

[dx100uk]

As far as i am aware all penalty charge notices from councils and charge notices from TfL state that any car lease, hire or finance company must name the driver and return the paperwork from whence it came.

 

i would be questioning why lex did not do so as ordered on the paperwork.

 

DX 

[axil23]

So this would be a question I need to ask Lex rather than TFL?

 

[dx100uk]

looks like it...how would TfL know............

[axil23]

But wouldn't they just point to their t&c's that state they will pay any tickets and bill me for it. I need something to take up with TFL. 

[dx100uk]

no they did wrong just blindly paid it.

there are no other threads in 16yrs here that says any hire/lease/finance companies have done that.

i sure they've done wrong and are now simply using you as a cash cow.

 

send them an sar. but thats 30days.

 

you seriously need to take control here not be controlled.

 

you didnt get the notices ...you should be able to file an SD via the forms IMHO.

 

 

 

 

[axil23]

Thank you. Will keep you posted. 

[spaceman61]

Sorry to say it, but this sounds like a matter between you and the lease company.

 

Normally, the following happens. Provided that your lease meets the requirements to permit the transfer of liability, the lease company would appeal to TfL that they were not the 'owner' of the vehicle at the material time and that you were for these purposes. TfL would then cancel the pcn issued to the lease company and reissue this to you allowing you to appeal should you wish.

 

However, if the terms and conditions of the lease you agreed to specifically say that they will pay all parking and congestion charge penalty charges and they did that, TfL will consider the matter closed and you need to discuss the matter with the lease company.

 

Do NOT submit a SD because, in the circumstances you have described, you have no legal right to do so. Knowingly submitting a false SD is a criminal offence and you don't want more aggro!

Edited January 19, 2022 by spaceman61
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