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HNY everyone, really sorry about the long post below I've tried to make a short version

 

Short Version

 

  • My friend took his car to a garage for repair, whilst there he enquired about a car parked within a garages compound, he was told price (£10,000), spec etc.
  • Months later he contacted the garage to see if the car was still for sale as he wanted to test drive the vehicle, he was told the car had been moved to one of the garage owners driveway as they needed the space
  • He went to the house to test drive the vehicle but it was his business partner that took him on the test drive on two occasions
  • He agreed to purchase the car, no paperwork verbally agreed to pay £3000 deposit then £1000 P/M, car to be kept by garage until my friend had paid £8000.
  • Car was collected on July 21, the car entered limp mode the next day, which was repaired but the car subsequently had other defects that amounted to more than £2800 that was bought to the attention of the garage
  • Over a period of 8 weeks, my friend left the car with the garaged on 7-8 separate occasions and nothing else was ever repaired
  • My friend sought advice, he was advised to write a formal letter by registered mail stating his right under the Consumers Rights Act 2015 to request repair of those defects.
  • In the garages response letter, his right to request repair was ignored, the garage said the CRA 2015 did not apply as it was a private sale 'on a sold as seen basis' as both owners were working in their 'private capacities'  
  • My friend sent a second letter reiterating the points of his first letter but stated under Section 2.2 of the Consumers Rights Act 2015 it states, a trader is defined as “a person acting for purposes relating to that person’s trade, business, craft or profession, whether acting personally or through another person acting in the trader’s name or on the trader’s behalf”. he notified the owner that according to Section 2.2 of the CRA 2015 it was clear that the garage remained liable even when acting in their ‘personal capacities’.
  • No further letters were received by the Garage so my friend sent a letter before action giving them 14 Days to agree to use an Alternative Dispute Resolution Body (as advised by Consumer Direct) or acknowledgement of an intended settlement of the amount claimed within 14 days of receipt of the letter and full payment within 21 days of receipt of the letter.
  • My friend received no formal response so he issued a claim against both Defendants (POC below)
  • Both defendants have defended the claim  against them (details below) 
  • My friend has received a Direction Questionnaire that has to be returned by the 11th Jan 22 

 

Would it be possible at this stage to make an application to strike out both Defendants defences on the basis that even though they are now claiming it was a private sale they still have no prospect of success as both Defendants were still acting for purposes relating to their trade so breached their obligations under the Consumers Rights Act 2015

 

 

 

Long Version

 

My friend purchased a BMW X5 from a garage in Northampton Sulemanji Auto Engineers / SW Auto Solutions (it's one garage with 2 trading names) for £10,000. Had my friend told me he was going to purchase a car from this garage I would have talked him out of it, which is why I wasn't shocked when my friend contacted me about the vehicle he purchased and the troubles he was having with the garage, it’s the kind of garage that you bring you car to repair one problem but it leaves with another new problem, so you just keep going back.

 

He originally inquired about a BMW X5 in December 2020 when he brought his vehicle to the garage for repairs, he had a van, it was making some unusual engine noises, he took it to the garage and the garage said it needs the timing belt change, but its ok to drive it, just don't drive it too hard (how about don't drive it at all!) until they could get it booked in, instead of a cam belt change my friend had to have an expensive engine repair as the cam belt snapped.

 

When he brought his van to the garage for repairs the BMW X5 was parked in the compound of the garage, he asked one of the owners if it was for sale and he said it was, the owner also told him the price and specification etc. The alloy wheels were in a visibly poor condition the owner said they were going to refurbish the wheels before the vehicle was sold, my friend also noticed that the rear suspension was lower than the front, the owner said that this was normal until the car had been started, he also said the car would come fully serviced with 12 months MOT. At no time whilst my friend was at the garage discussing the car did the owner mention that the car was owned by someone else or he was selling the vehicle on someone else's behalf.

 

In February 2021 my friend contacted the garage to see if the vehicle was still available, he told him that it was, my friend told him that he wanted to view the car again and also to take it on a test drive, the owner told my friend that he had to park the car on his driveway as he needed the space at the garage. The owner sent my friend his address and they arranged a date and time for the test drive, my friend took the vehicle on a test drive, on both occasions the owner's colleague (the other Defendant) met my friend at the owner's house and took my friend on the test drive.

 

in May 2012 my friend agreed to purchase the vehicle, he told the one of the owners that he wouldn’t be able to pay the full amount in one go, he told the owner that he could afford to pay £3000 deposit and then £1000 every month, the owner accepted and said he would keep the car until my friend had paid £8000, then my friend could take the car and pay the rest when he had it. (knowing from other friends experiences this would be normal practice for the garage, especially if you are paying in cash, if you have car repairs done you can take the car and pay in instalments as he demonstrated with my friends repair bill for the van)  My friend wanted to pay by bank transfer every month but the owner insisted on cash payments, every time my friend asked for a receipt he was told one would be sorted, what he received was the garages compliment slip stating the amount he was paying at the time. 


In July 2021 my friend had paid £8000 and arranged to collect the car, on 17th July the owner presented the car for MOT at another garage he told my friend via text he also did work at, the car passed without any advisories, on 23rd July my friend collected the car, on 24th July my friend travelled to Manchester and on his return, the car entered limp mode, my friend contacted the garage owner and told him the issue and he told my friend to bring the car back to the garage on his return. My friend took the car to the garage and the owner replaced the EGR valve. Whilst he was at the garage my friend questioned the issue about the rear suspension sagging it would not stay raised overnight the owner said this was normal but he would inspect it again.

 

Over a period of 8 weeks, my friend took the car back to the garage and left it there on 7-8 occasions for a tapping noise coming from the rear, the rear suspension sagging when parked overnight, an inoperative windscreen washer but nothing was ever fixed and he was just given excuses, parts not arrived, parts out of stock etc, etc.

 

In Sept my friend took the car to BMW for a recall, the Defendant had originally told my friend about the BMW recall but didn't give him the letter from BMW as promised, every time my friend asked for the letter he just gave him excuses probably because the letter was addressed to the previous owner?? Whilst at BMW they offered my friend a free complimentary BMW Health Check and on inspection, they noted the following issues below

 

1. Exhaust – Earth Strap Split £106.12
2. OSR Tyre – Perished & illegal due to cords exposed £315
3. NSR Tyre – Perished & illegal due to cords exposed £315
4. OSF Drop Link Boot – Split £1,833.66
5. NSF Suspension Coil Spring – Snapped £403.21
6. OSR Suspension Dropping & CV Joint Leaking Grease – Needs Further Investigation
7. NSR Suspension Dropping & CV Joint Leaking Grease – Needs Further Investigation
8. Engine Oil Leak – Needs Further Investigation

9. Noted in BMW inspection video but not on the quote - Front windscreen washer jets weak

 

The quotation for the repair was more than £2972.99, not including the cost of the repair for the suspension, my friend sent a video report to the garage owner via txt and went to see him, my friend asked the owner how did the car pass its MOT with the illegal tyres, broken spring and inoperative windscreen washer, the owner became evasive and directed my friend to ask his colleague about the car. 

 

As the garage refused to do anything about the tyres, suspension and windscreen washer motor etc my friend withheld the remaining balance of £2k and sought advice and he was advised to write a letter informing the garage of his statutory rights under the Consumer Rights Act 2015, he was informed that the period to reject the vehicle had passed but he had the statutory right to inform the garage that the car was not as described and not fit for purpose and any defect discovered within 6 months were deemed to have been there unless the garage could prove otherwise. He was advised to allow the garage an opportunity to repair the vehicle, my friend sent the letter on 11th October 21

 

The garage wrote back to my friend within the 14 days and he was shocked when he read a fabricated sequence of events that now included a deal between my friend and mysterious 'seller' of the car who my friend has never met or spoke to, and the garage never mentioned that they were selling the car on behalf of someone else.

 

The garage owner was now claiming in the letter that it was a private sale, he stated in the letter that my friend had asked him if he had a car for sale and was now claiming that he told my friend that he had a car parked on his driveway (half the truth, yes my friend test drove the vehicle at his house but he originally enquired about the vehicle when he was at his garage) that he was selling for a friend of his family, my friend then came to his house to test drive the car and it was made clear to my friend by his colleague (the other Defendant) that it was a private sale on a 'sold as seen basis',

 

he insinuated in the letter that my friend had agreed the sale and payment terms with his friend of the family so the Consumers Rights Act 2015 did not apply as he and his colleague were working in their 'personal capacities' and the sale had nothing to do with Sulemanji Auto Engineers or SW Auto Solutions, the owner also stated that my friend should either pay the outstanding balance of £2k or he could return the car within 14 days and he would refund £8k less any damage and any wear or tear.

 

My friend wrote back within 7 days denying his fabricated sequence of events and denied he had ever had any communication with this seller, he asked the owner to confirm

 

  • Whether or not the BMW X5 was parked within the compound of Sulemanji Autos at any time between the 1st -11th Dec 2020,
  • To confirm the approximate date and time when he allegedly agreed on a price and payment terms with the ‘Seller’ and how contact was made
  • (As he was now claiming it was a private sale) To provide the name and address of this seller

 

On receipt of the information, he requested he would respond to his letter within 7 Days.

 

The owner responded by letter, he ignored all of the questions and stated that he was comfortable with the contents of his first letter and reiterated that it was a private sale to pay the balance or return the car for a refund, my friend wrote back with a letter before action stating that he was taking the matter very seriously stating that the owner and his colleague had fabricated a sequence of events in an attempt to try to restrict my friend's statutory rights and evade the garages obligations under the Consumer Rights Act 2015.

 

My friend stated in the letter that despite the garage now claiming it was a private sale their actions proved otherwise as he brought the vehicle back to the garage on at least 8 occasions at the owners request and at no time did they refuse to look at the vehicle, nor did he receive a phone call, text or letter reminding my friend of the owners claims that the sale of the vehicle was a private sale on a ‘sold as seen basis’.

 

My friend also stated in the letter that although the owner and his colleague now claimed that they were working in their 'personal capacities' under Section 2.2 of the Consumers Rights Act 2015 a trader is defined as “a person acting for purposes relating to that person’s trade, business, craft or profession, whether acting personally or through another person acting in the trader’s name or on the trader’s behalf”. he notified the owner that according to Section 2.2 of the CRA it was clear that the garage remained liable even when acting in their ‘personal capacities’.

 

He stated that he wanted to avoid going to court and gave the garage owner 14 days to acknowledge agreement to use an Alternative Dispute Resolution Body (as advised by Consumer Direct) or acknowledgement of his intended settlement of the amount claimed within 14 days of receipt of the letter and full payment within 21 days of receipt of the letter. After the letter was signed for my friend received a text from the owner saying "I have asked numerous times to return the vehicle that you say it's not ready (makes no sense) will gladly refund your money prior any damages to the vehicle, now taken legal advice and will let the court decide thanks".

 

The letter my friend sent addressed to both Defendants was dated 18th November 21, it was signed for on 19th November 21, they were given 14 days to respond, you will later go on to read below that within the 14 days they were given to respond one of the Defendants claims to have issued a claim against my friend for the outstanding balance on 28th November 21, although my friend has not received any paperwork?? He only learnt of the Defendants claim against him when he received their filed defence, he will have to contact the court asap if it has been issued and not received

 

As mentioned in the short version, would it be possible at this stage to make an application to Judge to strike out both Defendants defences on the basis that even though they are now claiming it was a private sale they still have no prospect of success as both Defendants were still acting for purposes relating to their trade so breached their obligations under the Consumers Rights Act 2015?

 

Any help or advise would be greatly appreciated

 

 

 

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  • BankFodder changed the title to Sulemanji Auto Engineers / SW Auto Solutions is now claiming car purchased through them was a private sale

Please will you post up the claim form and also the defence in multipage single file PDF format.

Thank you

 

Also why are you doing this and not your friend?

 

Also, what is the address of these people and do they have a website?

 

Also, who what why where is Consumer Direct?

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  • dx100uk changed the title to Sulemanji Auto Engineers/SW Auto Solutions - i issued court claim re: unfit for purpose - Defendants claim it was a private P2P sale

Bankfodder Consumer Direct is the name for the Citizen's Advice telephone or internet contact.

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I was wondering whether that was Citizens Advice – but I haven't seen it as a name which has formally been adopted by them. Is it official?

The used to be a Consumer Direct that was abolished when the OFT was abolished and also Consumer Focus

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Yes its was Citizens Advice, I just helping my friend simply because he asked me for my help. I don't believe they are registered at companies house and they don't have a website, they did have a local public page referring to how Sulemanji Auto Engineers and SW Auto Solutions formed but they deleted it as soon after my friend sent them the letter before action

 

   

Poc-Defence-compressed.pdf

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Please check here and see if you can find it 

ARCHIVE.ORG

 

If you can, take lots of screenshots and upload them here in PDF format

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1 hour ago, dm187 said:

Yes its was Citizens Advice, I just helping my friend simply because he asked me for my help. I don't believe they are registered at companies house and they don't have a website, they did have a local public page referring to how Sulemanji Auto Engineers and SW Auto Solutions formed but they deleted it as soon after my friend sent them the letter before action

 

   

Poc-Defence-compressed.pdf 2.94 MB · 5 downloads

 

I think that they may not be in the correct order.

 

Please can you check this and upload again

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The documents are in the correct order as downloaded from MCOL, PDF has been combined in the following order below

 

Claimants- Claim Form

Defendant (#1) - Filed Defence - Sections 1-5 then Defence Particulars Continued on separate sheet 

Defendant (#2) - Filed Defence - Sections 1-5 then Defence Particulars Continued on separate sheet

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Yes you're right.  Sorry.

 

Please monitor this thread for a reply later today - maybe tomorrow.

 

Did you check the archive for their website?

 

Also they seem to refer to a separate claim for the £2K.  Can comment on that?

 

Why can't your friend do this?  It will make things easier for all of us

 

Also what is the name of the Mr XXXX whose name you seem to be protecting even though he is named as defendant on the claim?

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As mentioned before the Defendants don't have a website, it was a findlocal dot com page for local businesses in the area.

 

With regards to the claim for 2k (its the remaining balance for the Vehicle) this was mentioned in my first post and has been acknowledged in the Claimants Particulars of Claim

 

When my friend sent the Defendants a Letter Before Action, he gave the Defendants 14 Days to respond, the Defendants received the letter and they must have issued a Claim against my friend within the 14 day deadline (without sending a Letter Before Action) for the remaining balance of 2k, as mentioned in my previous post my friend hasn't received the Claim from the Defendants, the first he aware of it was when he received the Defendants filed Defence but he will be contacting the court about this tomorrow  

 

 

I can assure you it wouldn't be any easier, I know the facts of this case so I don't need to refer back to my friend

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It may not have been a dedicated website – but if they've managed to remove certain references from the Internet then you might still be able to find them using the way back archive which I posted above. Have you checked this?
The fact that they have apparently removed certain references on the Internet would suggest that they consider that those references are prejudicial to their position in this litigation – all the more reason why it would be helpful to know about it.
You seem to be very coy about giving us information in relation to this.

Yes it's extremely important that you try to find out whether they have in fact issued a claim. However if that has only just happened, then your local court may not know about it and it may still be with the County Court business centre.
Even then, they may not be able to tell you about it.

Because of the risk of getting a default judgement if they really have issued a claim – and who knows if it is true? – You should establish a paper trail by writing to them and telling them that you understand that they may have issued a claim against you and you have not received any papers and so please would they let you have copies of the claim and also the claim number.

It's entirely possible that they won't respond to this – but having a paper trail is important because if you do suddenly get a default judgement against you, you will have no difficulty at all having it set aside and probably get costs awarded against them for the set-aside application because you will be able to show that you acted quickly and you informed them of the problem.

So I suggest that you do this straightaway.
Not only that, if you don't hear from them within five days then I suggest that you write to them again and point out that you have written to them once and had no reply and you are writing to them again.
You should do this as well as trying to contact the County Court not instead of.


I see that in the claim that you have issued you've made an error with the dates. You seem to say that you enquired about the car in December 2021.
Clearly that's not the case and although it simply a technical error and shouldn't cause any problem, it's careless.
The other side appear not to have noticed this because they could have made an issue of it and although as I've said, it wouldn't cause you a problem, it is a technical issue that might have been used at least to produce a hiccup in your litigation and possibly some extra expense correcting it.
There is still time for them to notice it and if they were canny, they might use it to unsettle you in what you are doing.

It's a great shame that you haven't referred to the unroadworthy condition of the vehicle in terms of section 75 of the Road traffic act 1988.
Under this act it is an offence for any person to sell a vehicle in unroadworthy condition. It would have been a good idea to refer to this in your claim as well as another basis for saying that the contract was void.
Breaches of section 75 are criminal offences and it doesn't matter whether they are a business or private person. And I think we should find out how to exploit this anyway.

Of course you could amend your particulars of claim but that would cost you about £250 or so to do and it's a shame to have to do it. However it's a shame that this wasn't researched before you issued.


Your original question whether it was possible at this point to ask the judge for a strikeout and I would say that the answer is no and I wouldn't even bother.

You have the DQ now and you should go ahead and complete it. Have they indicated that they want to go to mediation? I suppose you may as well agree to that although I don't think we will get you anywhere.

You seem reluctant to give us further details of these people. In particular I asked you for the name of the person you are suing and you haven't addressed that question and you haven't even referred to it.

Maybe you'd like to let us know what information you are prepared to give us and what information you are not prepared to give us.

If you want to help then you will have to give us the information that we think we need so that we can make a decision as to whether or not we think it's relevant.

How many addresses are being used here? You seem to suggest that there is a business address and there is some home address. You have served the claim on an address at Cowper Street. Is that the so-called business address or the home address?

You have apparently sued two defendants. Have they each put in a defence? It's not clear from the papers you have uploaded


Do you have the addresses of both of these people? Could you please give us the other addresses that you have.

In other words let us know what the Cowper Street is and what the other addresses are and what their status is.

Do you know if these people have any assets?


 

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Yes that's the correct address, its the address of Sulemanji Auto Engineers & SW Auto Solutions and the same address on both claim forms sent to the Defendants. If you view the address on google earth, the BMW X5 my friend saw in Dec 2020 (and later purchased) that the Defendants deny was at the garage at that time is parked next to the garage.

 

There was nothing of any significance on that web page, except them confirming that Sulemanji Auto Engineers & SW Auto Solutions are based at the same garage.

 

Yes the defendants have assets  

 

The reason I haven't referred to their names is because I've seen other people post Defendants names on similar forums related to similar issues and people have gone out of their way to search for their social media accounts and sent them comments regarding the case or abuse. 

 

Yes I agree, the unroadworthy condition of the vehicle in terms of section 75 of the Road traffic act 1988 should have been mentioned, this was mentioned in letters and one of the Defendants has mentioned this in his filed defence. If they have issued a claim against my friend Section 75 will be form part of his defence.

 

With regards to mediation, in the letter before action sent to the Defendants they were offered a ADR/ mediation and they ignored the offer, so unless you think otherwise I don't think my friend will opt for mediation.

 

As mentioned in previous post the uploaded documents include the following below 

 

Claimants- Claim Form

Defendant (#1) - Filed Defence - Sections 1-5 then Defence Particulars Continued on separate sheet 

Defendant (#2) - Filed Defence - Sections 1-5 then Defence Particulars Continued on separate sheet

 

If the Defendants are now claiming its a private sale, shouldn't it be the person they claim they were selling the vehicle for making the claim against my friend, as its this person the Defendants claim my friend owes the outstanding balance to as they refer to the vehicle still being theirs?

 

As the Defendants are making a claim against my friend doesn't this prove that this wasn't a private sale, they have never provided any paperwork to my friend of the person they claim is the owner to say they were selling it on this persons behalf.

 

IMO what it does prove is as defined under Section 2.2 of the Consumers Rights Act, the Defendants even though the claim the were acting in their personal capacity they were still acting for purposes relating to their trade, craft or profession, I'm not sure how their Defence has any real prospect of succeeding tbh.

 

 

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I think you need to understand that the help we give here is completely free of charge. Don't imagine that you have just come onto social media here.

This means that we invest our time and we really don't want to waste it because we have our own lives and families to deal with as well.

We are very happy to help you and we are probably the best people to do so that if you won't give us the information we need then I don't think we can go any further.

I think you've missed a lot of chances. I've given you some pointers. If you want us to get involved then you will have to help us.

Are these decisions to withhold information your own decisions or are they the decisions being made by your friend.
We've answered the basic question that you asked at the outset and seems to me that that is probably all you are interested in knowing.

It seems to me that you started dealing with Citizens Advice and so maybe you should go back to them.


 

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You just seem to be more interested in names of the Defendants and whether or not they have a website rather than showing any interest in the actual documents I uploaded surely the Particulars of Claim and the defence the Defendants filed are more important? I remember coming on CAG many years ago and receiving excellent almost expert like help with regards to a legal issue I had in a short space of time, it seems like things have certainly changed.

 

 

 

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