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    • They did reply to my defence stating it would fail and enclosed copies of NOA, DN Term letter and account statements. All copies of T&C's that could be reconstructions and the IP address on there resolves to the town where MBNA offices are, not my location
    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
    • In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us] 1 defendant   Which Court have you received the claim from ? County Court Business Centre, Northampton   Name of the Claimant ? LC Asset 2 S.A R.L   Date of issue – . 28/04/23   Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for –    (1) The Claimant ('C') claims the whole of the outstanding balance due and payable under an agreement referenced xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and opened effective from xx/xx/2017. The agreement is regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 ('CCA'), was signed by the Defendant ('D') and from which credit was extended to D.   (2) D failed to comply with a Default Notice served pursuant to s87 (1) CCA and by xx/xx/2022 a default was recorded.   (3) As at xx/xx/2022 the Defendant owed MBNA LTD the sum of 12,xxx.xx. By an agreement in writing the benefit of the debt has been legally assigned to C effective xx/xx/2022 and made regular upon C serving a Notice of Assignment upon D shortly thereafter.   (4) And C claims- 1. 12,xxx.xx 2. Interest pursuant to Section 69 County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from xx/01/2023 to xx/04/2023 of 2xx.xx and thereafter at a daily rate of 2.52 to date of judgement or sooner payment. Date xx/xx/2023   What is the total value of the claim? 12k   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Yes   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? N/A Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes, but amount differs slightly   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. DP issued claim   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Not that I recall...   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Not that I recall...   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Yes   Why did you cease payments? Loss of employment main cause   What was the date of your last payment? Early 2021   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No   -----------------------------------
    • Hello CAG Team, I'm adding the contents of the claim to this thread, but wanted to open the thread with an urgent question: Do I have to supply a WS for a claim with a court date that states " at the hearing the court will consider allocation and, time permitting, give an early neutral evaluation of the case" ? letter is an N24 General Form of Judgement or Order, if so, then I've messed up again. Court date 25 May 2024 The letter from court does not state (like the other claims I have) that I must provide WS within 28 days.. BUT I have recently received a WS from Link for it! making me think I do need to!??
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Hi All

 

Hope you all had a great Xmas!

 

Quick Q - IDRa must be trying to cover costs for their expensive Christmas parties as they’ve started sending their version of Christmas cards again…

 

They've sent a PAP, but I think they’ve messed it up, the Annex 2 Reply form they’ve posted to me to complete, they’ve put their own details in the section at the top where my name/address/telephone etc goes.

 

Do I,

 

A) file it away and ignore it as they’ve messed up the paperwork

 

B) sent it back with their details crossed out and replaced with my own?

 

thank you!

 

 

 

 

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whats the debt all about and who is FGB?

 

is this one you've posted about before?

 

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Old credit card debt from the UAE (2014ish) - FBG are first gulf bank, now called First Abu Dhabi I believe.

 

When I received a PAP previously from this lot, it was blank and I completed with advice from

here (including my own personal details not theirs) so I’m assuming they’ve messed up this PAP?

 

This is not one I’ve posted about before, this is separate. Heard nothing from them until a couple of weeks back. They’ve included some rubbish ‘evidence’ - none of it is signed by me; the handwriting is not mine, signature definitely not mine: the statements are garbage and don’t show anything relevant at all.

 

They then included the PAP but where my name and details would go, they’ve put their own in. Which seems odd!

 

Happy to scan it and upload it tomorrow when I’m back home if needed.

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  • dx100uk changed the title to FGB/IDRWW PAPLOC - old UAE Credit Card Debt

reply as you did before in this thread to the PAPLOC.

don't gamble on mistakes

 

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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They have replied (two letters arrived on the same day with different dates on them 2 or so weeks apart) one is their response to what I asked for in the PAP. The other is saying as they have responded to all queries from the PAP they expect a  proposal within 7 days, else they anticipate instructions to issue proceeding without further notice….

 

What I asked for:

 

1. Original signed finance agreement together with the terms and conditions
2. Any notice of change in account terms and conditions that were ever issued since credit approval
3. Any notice of default or UAE equivalent that was issued by the original creditor
4. All and every statement of the account including how any interest has been calculated. Proof that UAE Court Judgement has already been gained upon said debt.
5. Proof the UK Pre Action Protocol allows a UK Solicitor to issue a Letter Of Claim and
/or issue court proceedings concerning a UAE debt. The UAE is not a 'member state' .
6. Any and All other statutes of law, be them UK or otherwise, that the claimant intends to rely upon should they wish to proceed and issue a uk Court Claim

 

Their response:

 

1. Please see attached additional copies, having been provided with our letter of claim

(They have included an application form but this is 1000000% not my handwriting, a shady photocopy/made up document at best…)

 

2. The terms and conditions applicable to your account were provide with our letter of claim and
are enclosed again;

(They have included some generic T&C’s - could be for anyone…)


3. A notice of default if a concept under the Consumer Credit Act 1974, it is irrelevant in
Circumstances where your agreement is governed by the laws of the UAE

(Interesting….so only UAE law applies? I thought they were trying to state UK law also applies to these “claims” ?)

 

4. Please see attached additional copies, having been provided with our letter of claim

(Statements have been sent, they are generic, do not show any spending or anything, all just credit shield, interest, insurances etc… they also just have a forename on the contact details, not specific to me, could be anyone with the same forename?)


5. No civil action has been commenced in relation to your outstanding liability to date;

 

6. The pre-action protocol does not discriminate against foreign creditors; and

Our client's claim is a contractual one for breach of contract as a result of your failure to make
payment of your outstanding credit card liability.

 

“We trust this clarifies matters and we look forward to receiving your settlement proposals”

 

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yours is not the next move.

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Nothing else from this lot so far...BUT...the end client has now started sending emails to me directly...

 

Interesting as they DO have my address, I sent it to them (and all others) immediately after I left.

 

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Email:

 

Attn:      XXXX

Ref:         Outstanding dues in your Account number –XXXXXXXXX

 

Dear Sir/ Madam,

 

This is with regards to your Credit Card/Loan that you have availed from First Abu Dhabi Bank, UAE. We would like to remind you that you have explicitly agreed to the product Terms & Conditions which requires the repayment of all outstanding dues without any default whatsoever.

 

Please note that there’s an overdue amount of AED XXXXXXX on your Credit Card/Loan account mentioned above as of the date of this letter. We are aware that you have left the UAE and are now residing in another country.

 

We’d like to point out that you have failed to notify First Abu Dhabi Bank about your leaving the UAE and have not updated your new contact details/ address.

 

Please be informed that we have presented your cheque which failed to clear and as a result we have filed a criminal case against you in UAE. If you fail to pay the outstanding, we will proceed to initiate further legal action against you as allowed by the law in UAE or in the country of your current residence.

 

If we do not receive any payment from you to settle the above account within four (4) days from receipt of this mail, First Abu Dhabi Bank will exercise its right and initiate appropriate legal action against you to recover the outstanding amounts without any further notice to you.

 

We look forward to hearing from you with the resolution of this matter.

Should you need any further clarification, kindly contact us on +971-4-6075248

Best Regards,

 

XXXXX

Collections & Recovery Department

First Abu Dhabi Bank/Dubai First

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block and bounce all email/texts/calls.

 

they have your address 

let them WRITE.

 

its worthy to have a good read here on CAG, as there are issues with them using these 'blank cheque' guarantees that you signed moons ago, and with by default adding all the fake additional interest etc.

 

let it run.

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Yep, will do!  Is it worth me sending them my address one more time (in that email?) to be 100% certain they received it?  I sent it to them all by post immediately after leaving the UAE.

 

Or should I send again by post?

 

The blank cheque thing is a disgrace really, can't believe it is even a thing...

 

Never ending saga this!

 

One question - I think the answer is NO...but is it ONLY the UAE I should avoid...or do they share status' with other neighbouring Arab countries?  I.e. Qatar, Saudi etc etc?

 

I don't ever plan on returning to the UAE, but just want to be sure I don't end up going anywhere else I should not whilst these vultures are circling..

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Don't fall for this rubbish about Interpol arrest etc etc.. those stories are now very old and mostly patsy posts to scare people and I believe no longer the case anyway .. we can help you come to our website..we'll scam you out of money and sign you up to pay this debt till you die 

 

Dx

 

 

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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thank you, I mainly meant other gulf countries I guess. Outside of the UAE wasn’t sure if they all stuck together and shared info. 
 

outside of that, not bothered freely travel and no issues at all!

 

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Lets use another fleecer, make it look like it going some sort of chain... it's worked on other mugs .

 

Dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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