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    • The Notice to Hirer does not comply with the protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule  4 . This is before I ask if Europarks have sent you a copy of the PCN they sent to Arval along with a copy of the hire agreement et. if they haven't done that either you are totally in the clear and have nothing to worry about and nothing to pay. The PCN they have sent you is supposed to be paid by you according to the Act within 21 days. The chucklebuts have stated 28 days which is the time that motorists have to pay. Such a basic and simple thing . The Act came out in 2012 and still they cannot get it right which is very good news for you. Sadly there is no point in telling them- they won't accept it because they lose their chance to make any money out of you. they are hoping that by writing to you demanding money plus sending in their  unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors that you might be so frightened as to pay them money so that you can sleep at night. Don't be surprised if some of their letters are done in coloured crayons-that's the sort of  level of people you will be dealing with. Makes great bedding for the rabbits though. Euro tend not to be that litigious but while you can safely ignore the debt collectors just keep an eye out for a possible Letter of Claim. They are pretty rare but musn't be ignored. Let us know so that you can send a suitably snotty letter to them showing that you are not afraid of them and are happy to go to Court as you like winning.  
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    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
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The two letters in this thread are the only correspondence I've received that's it in relation to this charge.

 

I'll get in touch with my company to ask if they have it though, should I ask for a copy of it from this firm who sent the letter?

 

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No.

 

You need to read threads similar to your own so you become familiar with who you are dealing with.

 

You are in dispute with Digital Parking.  You have sent them a SAR to get to the bottom of this.  When they reply upload what they have sent you.  If they don't reply within a month come back here anyway and we can decide what to do.

 

Also get on to the hire firm.

 

ZZPS are idiots who have no power as its not their debt and you can use their letter to furnish the bottom of a hamster's cage or to throw out of a window as a paper aeroplane or however else you might want to dispose of pointless pieces of paper.

 

 

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No it isn't.  It's a standard letter from an uninterested third party.

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Please ....been awaiting you getting the ntk from who got sent it since the 19th.

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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finally got hold of someone in the parking dept at my company who are short staffed apparently due to Covid & Xmas etc.

 

my first correspondence I heard in this matter was from the debt collection agency, ZZPS dated 13/12. The original PCN my company received was at the beginning of November.

 

She said because it came to my company and has their company name and address on the correspondence, she wasn't allowed to give me a copy. She said I'd have to get in touch with DPE and ask for a copy which should have been sent to me back in November when my company referred them to me as the keeper of the vehicle but which I've never received.

 

She's sending me a covering letter and job sheet to show I was dropping next door at the time, not that will probably be of any use in these circumstances but there you go.

 

Should I get in touch with DPE and ask for a copy of the NTK that I never received back in November - I already submitted the SAR to them before Xmas?

 

Many thanks

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well why cant your company simply block off (redact) the bit they dont want you to see?? :crazy:

and send it as a PDF?

 

DPE wont send you a copy as its nothing to do with you if its a company vehicle at a company address.

 

24 minutes ago, northmonk said:

when my company referred them to me as the keeper of the vehicle but which I've never received.

 

once the above happened then they should have issued a NEW notice to driver.

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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That's exactly what I asked her to do after she said they couldn't send me a copy because it had their name/address on it. I said just block out your address then and send me a copy of the body of the document instead only, but she replied "I'm not allowed".

 

I mean if it'll make a big difference me having that, I'll go above her to management and tell them I need a copy. Does it make that much difference me having a copy?

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go just because she doesnt know how to scan and redact...:pound:tell her to put a bit of paper or a sticky note over the bit you are not allowed to see (which i think is wrong anyway) and photocopy it.

 

we need the pictures

we need the exact wording and layout. we also need BOTHSIDES of the ntk.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Finally managed to get a copy of the original PCN sent to my company, it's taken me this long due to comms breakdowns and general incompetence within the company, unbelievable!

 

there's no pictures or anything that sheds light on this situation, please take a look and advise accordingly,

 

Many thanks guys

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There are about a million things they've got wrong.  No photos.  Your company should have got a fresh PCN from them but it didn't so there has been no right of appeal.  So you parked "immediately before" 07:17.  How long?  There is a grace period of ten minutes.  You might have stopped, seen the sign, and been off again easily within ten minutes.

 

DPE seem to be a small and particularly incompetent company.  Ignore them unless they send a Letter of Claim

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I'd just dropped someone in the building next door & waited on their carpark in the dark, which is why I didn't see the signage - couldn't have been more than 10-15 mins though.

 

The parking dept at my company gave me a website where you can apparently view photos, but the link doesn't work anyway, this one:

 

http://www.ipaymypcn.net/mypcn

 

Yeah I think you're right, they seem particularly small and incompetent this firm. They're not going to have the clout and determination of parking eye for example. Anyways I sent an SRA a while back so let's see what happens.

 

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Just to check about the legal position regarding you, your company, etc.

 

Who was the letter from ZZPS addressed to?

 

Whose name was the SAR sent from?

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The letter from ZZPS, which is a debt collection agency I believe, was addressed to me at my home address and the SAR was sent from me at my home address including 2 proofs of address as per dx's advice.

 

I've just got an amended website address from my company that does work and downloaded the images. It seems I was on their forecourt 20 mins in total, see attached PDF

 

Regards

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Interesting.. are those photos taken by someone inside their office.?

 

i will bet my bottom dollar those are taken by an employee? Of the company that employed digital parking to manage their site parking....

 

Therefore to me this appears to me to poss be a privacy breach? They are not by a ppc employee but poss someone (security?)of the site owner?...not allowed and might be getting a backhande r too for dobbing people in?

 

if those have come from / taken on a personal cell phone..def gdpr breach of your pers data. That pers is not allowed to hold your data on a their phone!!

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I was on a small screen ...

Ok no running on that then...

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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So the names match.  The hire company named you personally, ZZPS wrote to you personally, you personally sent the SAR.

 

If DPE don't reply to the SAR you can sue them!  And even if you don't it'll be a useful sword of Damocles to hold over them to make them back off.

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The date of the very first PCN that was sent to my company was 28/10/2021.

 

I dropped a guy off next door and just reversed onto this little car park waiting for my next fare listening to the radio. It was dark, there was nobody around at just gone 7am and so I didn't think to check for parking signs on empty car parks at that time, it's never usually a problem. Yes I remained in the car the whole time

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