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I am here to ask your opinions, I will be grateful if you could treat me like 5 years old and enlighten me regarding my issue, I will try Not to bore you, that is why I will be super quick about giving details,

-  I have had a small business back in days between July 2012 to April 2017, it is a small shop, I was selling computer parts and repairing them,

-  My contract ended in July 2017 but I have stopped trading in April 2017

-  I have paid off every supplier including water company which has sent me asking me to pay my debt dated from September 2017

-  I don’t use this email address they have been sending me emails, I have only log in after receiving this letter,

-  I have checked my emails water company very last contact is in November 2017, telling me, they are going to join some other company called Wave which it was Anglian Water,

-  At the time in November 2017, they sent me email which I had already stopped trading but it seems to be automated email,

-  I can see next contact from them is in April 2020, telling me “your account temporally closed…..” something to do with covid-19 and they are assuming I will not be trading during pandemic and telling me general details what to do and how to do things during Pandemic,

-  Then they had sent me an email last June 2021, telling me to pay off out standing debt I owe them, No details of payment, No bill to show what I used, How much I owe etc.

-  Finally, I have received a letter to my home address from debt recovery agency asking me to pay off £370, again no details of what this money asked for, just telling me I owe this to them,

So, Before I go any further with them, I would like to figure out where I stand, should I just get in touch with them to find out what exactly it is about?

In order if I need to provide more details, please let me know I will as much information as I can,

I would like to Thank you for your assistance,

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So this is a business to business water debt.?

 

Pers id simply ignore them, a dca is not a BAILIFF, and have ZERO legal powers on any debt no matter what its type.

 

I will also guess the dca letter states our client xxxx?

 

Dx

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi, I was Sole Trader, small computer shop, it was my name on the bills,

I have sent a letter to them asking to prove it how and what I owe to them, then I have received a bill

I have no idea why they say on the bill "brought forward" the amount they have brought forward is more than what I have paid within 5 years for water charges,

 

I dug in my old documents, I haven't got a lot left, however I found some water bills, it shows I have hardly used any water,

 

I have managed to get my closed account statements, I have got payment made to water company, in December 2017 and January 2017,

 

after this, I have closed the shop in April 2017 stopped trading,

 

the amount they say I owe to them £370 which is worth more than 5 years water bills I had paid while I was occupying the property, the amount day ask for which doesn't seem to be correct, anyway, I have used water facility for toilet only, Not even for drinking or for tea and coffee, Water has never seem to be clean enough for drinking purposes, I have always purchased bottled water.
 

it is calculated approx. £18 for water £40 late payment £312 brought forward

 

I checked the bill they sent, they are charging me from May 2017 to September 2017,which is one month after I stopped trading, shop was empty by the end of Jun 2017,

 

I have all my bank statements showing I have paid water bills up to January 2017, I have no idea where this "brought forward" cost comes from,

 

 

 

2021-09-07 Wave Bill.pdf

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I doubt it's a coincidence that what they're asking for is 5 years of bills and you had the premises for 5 years.   Somehow Wave have no record of you ever paying your water bills to Anglian.

 

Wave only came into existence in August 2017. Prior to that it was the Anglian Water Business divison, the part of Anglian who prvided water servcies to businesses. --->  Wave to hit the water market (anglianwater.co.uk)  

 

I guess that you had an account with Anglian and paid Anglian from when you started your shop in 2012 until you ceased trading (April 2017) and terminated your water contract with Anglian in July 2017. Is that correct?

 

I suspect that there has been some mess up between Anglian and Wave when Anglian transferred their business customers to Wave. 

 

Put in Subject Access Requests (SAR) to Wave and Anglian and find out what's going on.

 

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Brought forward usually means its an old bill bought forward on the bill it now shows on.

 

I will guess as goes on with other closed utils acounts, they suddenly realise since its birth that they under charged you on its rate, so change the rate across all usage and thats this sum. Too late now.

 

Its only really happening because i will guess statute barred date is not too far away.

 

Please ignore the dca totally. Id send wave? Is it? An sar.

 

Do this by post only

 

The info from my colleague above explain s the history nicely too

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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As far as I remember, I have paid off Electric, Broadband, Water, Rent, Commercial waste, insurance of final payments before I have removed my business fixtures and handed over the keys to Local Council since it was Local Authority own business property,

I am very ignorant when it comes to deal with this sort of things, but I am about to tell DCA I was with Anglian and I owe no bills to Wave Utilities, I will also send a letter to Wave Utilities asking for more details about they are after,

 

I will be grateful, if you could be telling me, if you think this will be right movement, to be honest I am a bit worried to say or do something wrong

 

Thank you

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ignore the DCA !!

 

34 minutes ago, Ethel Street said:

Put in Subject Access Requests (SAR) to Wave and Anglian and find out what's going on.

 ^^^^

 

you need do nothing more than that for now until all the info come thru.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Both need an sar

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Good Evening Mr xxxxxxx,

 

Thank you for submitting a Subject Access Request (SAR), I have validated your identity in our Customer Relationship Management & Billing (CRM) system and have now obtained copies of your own personal data which falls within the scope of your request.

 

As you may or not be aware, the Water market for businesses became deregulated on 1st April 2017 when businesses were free to choose their water retailer, which meant services were separated from wholesalers at this time. May I kindly suggest you submit your SAR directly to Essex and Suffolk Water who were your water supplier prior to pre-market deregulation. For ease, I have provided the website where you can access the relevant form for completion and submission: Online Subject Access Request Form

 

SAR - Screengrabs

I have provided screengrabs of your own personal data taken from our CRM System and you will notice that some of this information has been redacted and the reason for this is that third parties have not consented to the sharing of their personal data with you (for example; forename, surname).

 

Audio Calls

I have also checked our call recording system to validate if any audio calls have been stored that are associated to your contact number(s) and can confirm that no such audio calls are stored. Although, as a business, we only store these for a maximum of 3 months to ensure we comply with the ‘data minimisation’ data protection principle.

Account Information

It is with regret to inform you that ‘account’ information does not fall under the scope of a legitimate SAR (eg, it is not your own personal data) so unfortunately, I cannot provide this information to you. However, this does fall under Wave’s Businesses as Usual (BAU) process so if you would still like to receive account information after April 2017, please could I suggest you submit an email to [email protected] and our customer experience team can respond to you directly. They aim to respond to emails within ten working days in accordance with our Service Level Agreement (SLA).

 

Data Transfer

Data security is always our main focus at Wave so in order to securely share data with yourself, and; to ensure your personal data does not fall in to the wrong hands, we use Galaxkey workspace, which is a data protection product that protects email, documents and any data using access control and an encryption platform.

 

Therefore, you will receive a separate email to advise you that a secure workspace has been created and to click on the link (URL). You will then need to register and will be prompted to add a few details such as; email address, name, and; create your own unique password. This will allow you access to Galaxkey workspace folder in order to obtain information requested.

 

Data Subjects Rights

I have enclosed a link to our privacy notice which explains what personal data we collect and why, as well as how we use it, keep it secure and data subject rights; https://www.wave-utilities.co.uk/privacy-policy

 

I hope this satisfies your request, however, please do not hesitate to contact me, should you have any further queries.

 

With Best Wishes,

 

Hi,

 

I have seen their screenshots from their system, all it says, "holder since 2013" 

 

They have got my name as "account name" but they have got "Trading name" the person currently occupy the shop and running a hair designer business,

 

They have got an email address which I have abandoned years ago but I have recently recovered it since this issue has raised, they have sent me email back in November 2017 saying they are taking over water supplier from Anglian water

 

They had sent me two emails in Jun 2021 and August 2021 demanding payment for out standing bill,

 

Then Debt recovery people had sent me reminders 1st November 2021 then every 7 days, 

 

I have never been aware all these because I had not got access to the email address until I have received a letter from debt recover company to my home address,

 

My current mobile phone number seems to be on their system which they have never tried to contact with me via phone call, it is strange they have not passed it on to debt recovery firm to use when they try to get in touch with me, as far as I know, debt recovery people would love to get this detail,

 

By the way I have received response from Anglian water telling me they have transferred everything to Wave Utility and it seems they have not got anything to tell me,

 

Now, I have got in touch with Essex Suffolk Water apparently They have been my provider as well, and I can see I had made payments to them over the years when I have checked my bank statements I can see those payments,

 

This thing has become so confusing, I am not sure what to do?

 

Thank you

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Pers i'd ignore everything until you ever get a letter of claim.

 

simply trying to scam you.

 

not really a lot they can do.

 

its xmas they need mugs to give them free money to fund their xmas party drinks bill

 

Dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi, I wish to everyone the best of best and happy new year, I have received a response directly from Wave Utility as follows, the way they handle this issue so childish,

 

Thank you for your email.

 

I can see that an account in your name has been open with us since August 2013 and was closed in September 2017.

The balance that is being asked for is outstanding monies owed to us during that time.

 

Upon looking at your supply, we (Wave) have always been responsible for the supply so any water and sewerage charges would need to be paid to us.

 

As this is an outstanding debt, we have forwarded the debt and account to our 3rd party debt collectors UK Search.

As you account is now with them and their responsibility, you will need to liaise with them regarding this matter.

 

Kind Regards,

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On 18/12/2021 at 17:41, dx100uk said:

ignore everything until you ever get a letter of claim.

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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