Britannia/BW ANPR PCN PAPLOC now Claimform - Quayside Poole

[honeybee13]

It's a threatogram. If they do send a Letter of Claim, that's when you need to spring into action with our help.

 

HB

[hamadryad]

hi,

 

That's what I thought.

 

Standing by............

 

H

[hamadryad]

Well the Letter of Claim has turned up!

I guess I'll have to fork out the dosh now!!

Chalk this one up to experience & move on I guess.

 

Ah well.

 

H

[dx100uk]

No you send one of our snotty letters

Dont need to pay anything!!

[hamadryad]

I've sent them an SAR, and their response proved that I was in the car park.

Now I get this letter of claim, so I thought I'd have to pay it!

Your message has given me hope!!

Where might I find this snotty letter please.

 

H

[dx100uk]

type in

snotty+letter

in our top right search of the red banner.

 

or use our enhanced google search box

 

snotty letter

 

100's here 

post your idea up 1st for checking

[hamadryad]

Ok cheers!

 

 

Hi,

 

would this be a suitable letter?

obviously I’d adapt it to meet my purposes.

 

(template removed - dx)

 

[FTMDave]

No, that's a letter we send when someone has actually received a county court claim form from the fleecers.  You're not at that stage yet - and hopefully never will be.

 

Looking through your thread I don't think we've ever seen the original PCN which will have been included in their reply to the SAR.  Can you please post it up so we can see what they reckon you did wrong and then we can suggest the best way to ridicule their claim?

 

EDIT: while you're at it, please also upload the Letter of Claim.  The fleecers have probably included Unicorn Food Tax so you can use that stick to beat them with.

 

 

Edited February 6, 2022 by FTMDave
Typo

[hamadryad]

Hi,

 

Here is the original PCN.

They sent it to my old address, (I forgot to change the address on my log book when I moved!), so there is a 'final demand as well.

 

H

 

ANPR PCN page 1.pdf

[FTMDave]

More questions, sorry!

 

So they reckon you didn't pay.  Is this true?  Can you remember what went on in the car park?

 

In their Letter of Claim are they demanding £100 or £160?  It should be £100 but most of the PPCs can't resist making up fictitious charges.

[hamadryad]

No, I didn’t pay. I couldn’t get the machine to work.

they are saying it’s £160 too.

missed the deadline for appealing due to the unactioned change of address, so I’ve not pursued that tack.

 

H

[dx100uk]

As you shouldn't..don't ever appeal any speculative invoice

[hamadryad]

Hi Guys, (and Gals, of course),

 

I don't seem to be able to find an appropriate snotty letter, but from reading what I have, my understanding is that they have 14 days to notify me of the 'incident'.

 

I did not enter into a contract with these people eiher.

The machine did not work, at least I couldn't work it.

The signage is poor & cannot be read from a car.

 

Please would you point me in the right direction.

 

H

[dx100uk]

you dont play any cards upon how you might defend this IF they ever issue a claimform via northants bulk court.

 

you search for

 

snotty letter

using our google enhanced search box 

like this

 

Programmable Search Engine

CSE.GOOGLE.COM

 

clickme^^

[hamadryad]

I’ve not contacted them, and would not without the sage advice from  you, or this site!

Still looking for the most appropriate snotty though, to respond to their ‘letter of claim’!

 

H

Edited February 6, 2022 by hamadryad
Spelling!

[FTMDave]

How about -

 

 

Dear Britannia Parking,

 

Re: PCN no. XXXXX

 

cheers for your Letter of Claim.  I rolled around on the floor in mirth at the idea you actually thought I'd take it seriously and cough up!

 

So you reckon I didn't pay.  Epic fail.  You really should stop buying your machines for £9.99 second hand on eBay.

 

I see you couldn't resist adding £60 Unicorn Food Tax.  Very, very bad own goal.  Judges don't take kindly to these made-up sums, do they?

 

You can either drop this foolishness now or get a complete hammering in court, the choice is up to you.  If you continue I will of course enjoy obtaining an unreasonable costs order against you under CPR 27.14(2)(g) and spending the dosh on a nice foreign holiday now that borders are reopening while all the time having a great laugh at your expense.

 

I look forward to your deafening silence.

 

 

A snotty letter always treads a fine line between showing them you have something and would be big trouble for them if they did try court, while at the same time as dx says not playing your cards too early.  I've hinted that their machines are rubbish without actually pointing out what that led to. 

 

As I say, a fine line so don't send this off immediately, there's no rush, see what the other regulars have to say tomorrow and then post on Tuesday.

[hamadryad]

Well that brought a smile to my face this dreary Monday morning!
 

I didn’t pay:

A. Cos I couldn’t get the machine to work, and

B. I didn’t have my phone with me.

 

Don’t be concerned about me firing off without advice though.

 

Thank you.
 

H

 

[hamadryad]

Well we’ll!

 

Seems there are others on our side now too!

Thing is though, if they are limited to £50, will they pursue it through the courts cos they know they’ll get it?

 

Still worth a snotty though I think!

 

H

[FTMDave]

Yes, as no-one has objected, send the snotty letter I suggested off tomorrow.  Make sure you get a free Certificate of Posting from the post office.

[hamadryad]

Sent it off.

the silence has been deafening, as you said.

cheers,

 

H

[hamadryad]

Well well wel!

 

I am now clutching a County Court Claim Form!!!

 

Seems they are a bit annoyed with me.  Bless!

 

Next steps anyone?

 

H

[lookinforinfo]

Before I comment could you please confirm the date that the original PCN was sent to you on post 61.

[hamadryad]

The original was sent out to me (at my old address) on 24 August 2021

Date of ‘contravention’ was 17 August 2021

 

I was next contacted by bw legal on 31 Jan 2022.

Thats what started this ball rolling. 
 

H

[dx100uk]

pop up on the MCOL website detailed on the claimform

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register as an individual on the Gov't Gateway Site
Go to HMRC's login page.

Click the GREEN sign in button.
Click “Create sign in details”
Enter your email address where asked.
You will now be emailed a confirmation code. ...

You will now be issued with a User ID for your government gateway account.
 note down your details inc the long gateway number given, you might need it later.
 

then log in to the MCOL Website

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select respond to a claim and select the start AOS box.

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then using the details required from the claimform

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defend all

leave jurisdiction unticked.

click thru to the end

confirm and exit MCOL.

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get a CPR 31:14 request running to the solicitors

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?486334-CPR-31.14-Request-to-use-on-receipt-of-a-PPC-(-Private-Land-Parking-Court-Claim

type your name ONLY

no need to sign anything

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you DO NOT await the return of paperwork.

you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 from the date on the claimform.

………….
 

[hamadryad]

They have sent me a password. 

 

Followed the instructions & it’s printing off now.

It’ll go in the am!

 

cheers

 

H