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    • Hi, In my last post I mentioned I had received an email from SS who were asking me to hand over the keys to my mother’s flat so they could pass them to the Law firm who have been appointed court of protection to access, secure and insure my mother’s property.  Feeling this, all quickly getting out of my hands I emailed ss requesting proof of this. I HAVEN’T HEARD BACK FROM SS.  Yesterday, I received an email (with attached court of protection order) from the Law Firm confirming this was correct (please see below a copy of this).  After reading the court of protection order I do have some concerns about it:   (a)   I only found out yesterday, the Law firm had been appointed by the court back in January.  Up until now, I have not received any notification regarding this.  (b)   Section 2   - States I am estranged from my mother.  This is NOT CORRECT    The only reason I stepped back from my mother was to protect myself from the guy (groomer) who had befriended her & was very aggressive towards me & because of my mother’s dementia she had become aggressive also.  I constantly tried to warned SS about this guy's manipulative behaviour towards my mother and his increasing aggressiveness towards me (as mentioned in previous posts).  Each time I was ignored.  Instead, SS encouraged his involvement with my mother – including him in her care plans and mental health assessments.   I was literally pushed out because I feared him and my mother’s increasing aggression towards me. Up until I stepped back, I had always looked after my mother and since her admission to the care home, I visit regularly.   .(c)    Sections -  4, 5 and 7  I am struggling to understand these as I don’t have a legal background.  I was wondering if there is anyone who might be able to explain what they mean.  It’s been a horrendous situation where I had to walk away from my mother at her most vulnerable because of; ss (not helping), scammer and groomer. I have no legal background, nor experience in highly manipulative people or an understanding of how the SS system operates, finding myself isolated, scared and powerless to the point I haven’t collected my personal belongings and items for my mother’s room in the care home.  Sadly, the court has only had heard one version of this story SS’s, and based their decision on that. My mother’s situation and the experience I have gone through could happen to anyone who has a vulnerable parent.    If anyone any thoughts on this much appreciated.  Thank you. ______________________________________________________  (Below is the Court of Protection Order)  COURT OF PROTECTION                                                                                                                                                                                   No xxx  MENTAL CAPACITY ACT 2005 In the matter of Name xxx ORDER Made by  Depty District Judge At xxx Made on xxx Issued on 18 January 2024  WHEREAS  1.     xxx Solicitors, Address xxx  ("Applicant”) has applied for an order under the Mental Capacity Act 2005.  2.     The Court notes (my mother) is said to be estranged from all her three children and only one, (me) has been notified.  3.     (Me) was previously appointed as Atorney for Property and Affairs for (my mother).  The Exhibity NAJ at (date) refers to (me) and all replacement Attorneys are now officially standing down.  4.     Pursuant to Rule 9.10 of the Court of Protection Rules 2017 and Practice Direction 9B the Applicant 2must seek to identify at least three persons who are likely to have an interest in being notified that an application has been issues.”  The children of (my mother), and any other appointed attorneys are likely to have an interest in the application, because of the nature of relationship to (my mother).  5.     The Court considers that the notification requirements are an important safeguard for the person in respect of whom an order is sought.  6.     The Court notes that it is said that the local authority no longer has access to (my mother’s) Property.  7.     Further information is required for the Court to determine the application.  IT IS ORDERED THAT  Within 28 days of the issue date this order, the Applicant shall file a form COP24 witness statement confirming that the other children of (my mother) and any replacement attorneys have been notified of the application and shall confirm their name, address, and date upon which those persons were notified.  If the Applicant wishes the Court to dispense with any further notification, they should file a COP9 and COP24 explaining, what steps (if any) have been taken to attempt notification and why notification should be dispensed with.   Pending the determination of the application to appoint a deputy for (my mother), the Applicant is authorised to take such steps as are proportionate and necessary to access, secure and insure the house and property of (my mother).   This order was made without a hearing and without notice.  Any person affected by this order may apply within 21 days of the date on which the order was served to have the order set aside or varied pursuant to Rule 13.4 of the Court of Protection Rules 2017 (“the Rules”).  Such application must be made on Form COP9 and in accordance with Part 10 Rules.              
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What is the date of the email that you received where it said that he was a limited company?

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So this was after you entered into the contract with him. Is this the date that he incorporated the company?

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The quotes that you have posted above –

The first one is simply a quote for work to be done. It makes no reference at all to the existing job and the quality of it.
I'm afraid that no help at all.

The second quote is good. It starts to analyse the quality of the work that had been done – why is incomplete. You need to inspection reports like this coupled with quotations for remedial work.

Until you get these, you are not ready to go.
 

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Incorporated on    Thursday, 20 May 2021

 

The trader of the first job stated that he can provide it to me later (but probably has to be after I accepted his quote).
So I will need 3 quotes with reports to go to the next step?

 

I just realised I only uploaded half a page of the T & D report and quote.

 

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I don't think you should worry. There is nothing there to suggest that he traded with you is a limited liability company. His website doesn't say anything about it. His quotation doesn't anything about it. And the only thing that says anything about it is the invoice which refers to a bank account in the company name.

By that time the contract had already been made and so you trade with him as a trading individual.

Of course he will try to raise this as a defence and he will try to say that you are seeing on entity and eventually when there is an enforcement he will try to say that you should be enforcing against the limited liability company – but if you get the judgement against him in person then I don't foresee any problem.

As I have already said, keep in writing to his normal business address but when we issue a claim, it will be against him at his home address. 

 

The inspection which you have eventually put up in its complete form is very good.

Ideally you should get a second assessment of equal quality before launching your claim against Rick Burns

 



 

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Get at least one further inspection and quote for remedial work – as a matter of priority.

 

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So even though his invoice email suddenly became Ltd like this, is no problem at all?
That would really be a BIG relief.
I should be able to get the quote+a complete report of similar quality as the one I already had, from my second trader.
I am also trying to get a quote from a third trader, but I am not very sure if I can get a complete report from the third trader.
Also, like I mentioned before, T&D is a painting company only, so they cannot provide a quote for the fixing of the ceiling (at the extension) for me. They could only provide me a quote for the repainting of ceilings and walls.
While the quote that INOL provided, includes all the repainting of ceilings and walls, also the fixing of the ceiling at the extension. Would that be a problem when this is being presented to the court? Do I need to find another trader just for the plastering?

 

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Well you need quotes for everything – because clearly you are going to have to address the whole job in your claim.

I think you need to prioritise this and get these inspections done PDQ.

I don't think you can go forward on this until you get these independent assessments done.

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Ideally you want to independent quotations for the whole job. If that means that the job has to be divided into two distinct parts then you need to quote for each part.

The whole point of this is to get quotes which broadly corroborate each other.

 

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1 hour ago, Ethel Street said:

 

According to the Companies House information on the link in Post #19 Decor Developments Ltd was incorporated on 20 May 2021.

This is what I am worried about as well... but he never mentioned being a Ltd while dealing with me, and suddenly became Ltd when asking me to pay.

 

3 hours ago, BankFodder said:

Ideally you want to independent quotations for the whole job. If that means that the job has to be divided into two distinct parts then you need to quote for each part.

The whole point of this is to get quotes which broadly corroborate each other.

 

Is it ok if the quote mentioned about the price for the ceiling job separately from the painting job?

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In terms of the quotes, it doesn't matter at all that they are separate. Don't worry about it.

In terms of his limited liability status – he didn't trade with you is a limited novelty company so stop worrying about that as well. I think I've already said this much earlier on and so I think you are starting to obsess over it.

What will be funny of courses if he tries to say to the court that he trader is a limited liability company because on the evidence that we have from you, he would be telling porkies

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So, even though his company was indeed a Ltd, however, he did not mention about it anywhere else while quoting, therefore it doesnt count?

About the quotes, like I said, I am not really able to find several quotes that includes all the job (lets divide them into two parts: A) the painting of walls and ceilings B) the fixing of the plasterboard at the extension ceiling)
T&D can only do "A" for me, so the quote and report that Ill get from them would only be about "A".
INOL can do both "A" & "B" for me.
So in order to get quotes which broadly corroborate each other, is it ok for me to get just one more plastering company to quote (and write a report) for "B", and ask INOL to clearly divide the job (and report) into two parts, so that I will have 2 quotes for each part of the job to compare?

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I'm sorry I've already told you the situation in respect of his limited liability status on at least two occasions. Please don't keep on obsessing about it and I certainly won't be repeating myself all the time.

Exactly the same thing about the quotes. You keeping asking the same question I keep on giving the same answer.

Ask us again and it will be the same answer

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23 minutes ago, Hael said:

So, even though his company was indeed a Ltd, however, he did not mention about it anywhere else while quoting, therefore it doesnt count?

 

The contract was made when he emailed you an 'offer' (the quotation) on 26th July and you 'accepted' it by text the same day. The 'offer' was not from the limited company as there was no 'Ltd' shown in the offer email. See what the experts here think if/when you need to issue formal proceedings but I'd say you were contracting with 'Ricky Burns trading as Decor Developments' not Decor Delopments Ltd. Once the contract was made on 26th July he cannot change it to Decor Developments Ltd. That would be transferring it to a different legal entity, which is not allowed (not wihout your agreement or a court order anyway).

 

So as BF says, don't fret about the Limited company issue, we can see how that can be dealt with. Now you need to focus on the quotations etc. 

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3 minutes ago, Hael said:

Is it ok for me to delete some of the files here with my name and address on? (I can re upload a version that blacken my name and address later on.)

Done.

Please upload redacted versions

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The word is "redacted" not "blackened"

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Hi, just an update:
Im still trying to get the two renewed quotes from the two painters. (One should be arriving very soon, another one will probably arrive next week when he comes to perform the work for me)
Im able to find a plasterer (finally) who promised to come and have a look and give me a report tomorrow.

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