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Hello Everyone

Similarly to others on here and noted elsewhere, I have received a Letter Before Claim from ELMS Legal for an alleged offence in May 2018 (I note that there seem to be some revived activity as there are number of these letters now being received, no doubt brought about by slim pickings during the pandemic!).


In truth, my wife is receiving the letters and I am representing her interests in this matter, Up until this letter, we have completely ignored all of the other nonsense and threats and we have admitted nothing, including the identity of the driver. The car was simply stopped for a few seconds so that I could read the signage!


The date on the letter from ELMS Legal is 24 Sept 2021, it was received on 1 October and the 'settlement date' is 23 Sept 2021! Appreciate that I (we) have to respond to this letter, but I am not clear to whom or to which entity I should respond and in what form. You advice would be much appreciated.


Many thanks. I will locate the proforma and post the details here.

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You need to reply to both Elms and Simple Simon with a snotty letter to show you'd be big trouble if they did do court.  Plenty of examples on VCS airport threads here.  Post a draft up here first.


Tempting as it is to point out that you haven't got access to a TARDIS, don't let on about the ridiculous letter from Elms, if they did do court that would be proof that they didn't abide by pre-action protocol


Well done on ignoring all their tripe so far and for not outing the driver.

Edited by FTMDave
Usual typo!

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Thanks for the info and encouragement 🙂

Here is the questionnaire with responses:


Please answer the following questions.


1 Date of the infringement


2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date]


[scan up BOTH SIDES as ONE PDF- follow the upload guide]

please do not put JPG Picture files into your post


3 Date received

Give answer here

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?]


5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event?

Yes on the NTK

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal]


Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up


7 Who is the parking company?

Vehicle Control Services Ltd


8. Where exactly [carpark name and town]

Liverpool John Lennon Airport, L24 1YD

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under.

Mentions IAS and IPC

There are two official bodies, the BPA and the IAS. If you are unsure,

please check HERE


If you have received any other correspondence, please mention it here

Note that I have not responded to any of these subsequent communications; worth noting also that none of them were sent by recorded delivery (signed fo). Also to note that the keeper of the vehicle is my wife and I am acting on her behalf:

1.   (17.05.2018 original NTK)

2.   15.06.2018  PCN from VCS - Final Reminder

3.   09.07.2018  Letter from DRP

4.   24.07.2018 DRP again - notice of intended court action

5.   09.08.2018 DRP again - Final settlement offer (reduced charge from £160 -> £136) to avoid court action

6.   29.08.2018 Zenith Collections - notice of debt recovery assignment, without prejudice (!)

7.   17.09.2018 Zenith Collections again - notice of intention to commence legal proceedings (without prejudice)

And then a break of almost THREE years before receiving:

8.   12.05.2021 dcbl - notice of debt recovery; note that the letter quoted Supreme Court Decision of November 2015

9.   01.07.2021 dcbl again - final reminder

10. 30.07.2021 dcbl again - final notice of debt recovery

11. 31.08.2021 dcbl again - notice of intended legal action

12. 24.09.2021 ELMS Legal - Letter before claim - dates impossible to comply with.


Literally, the car was stopped for less than 10 seconds to read the signage!





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dont you just love simple simon and his spycars.....:pound:

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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