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please complete this 

and scan up any/all paperwork you have both sides to one mass pdf read upload carefully

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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So what?  The claim is rubbish and you point out to VCS that the claim is rubbish.  What's wrong with that?

 

I can't remember a solitary case where the snotty letter caused any problem whatsoever before a judge.

 

Please fill in the forum sticky as dx asked.

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1 Date of the infringement

01/04/2018
 

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date]

I dont rememeber
 

[scan up BOTH SIDES as ONE PDF- follow the upload guide]

I dont have this PCN anymore

 

3 Date received

N/A
 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?]

N/A
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event?

yes
 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal]

yes - i have admitted I was the driver and my vehicle went failure
 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up

yes - rejected
 

7 Who is the parking company?

VCS

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town]

Liverpool john Lennon Airport
 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under.

I dont know

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please post up your appeal

their reply

where is the NTK you got that made you reply?

you were caught on cctv by the spycar?

whay date is on the letter of claim please and who is it from Elms Legal?

 

this is vcs at liverpool jla airport

there are 1000's of threads here on it.

 

you need to use our search top right in the red banner

or 

our enhanced google search box

 

vcs snotty letter 

 

do not use a general search engine stick to CAG 

 

dx

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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please post up your appeal

 

I dont have it - I made it through their website during that time - I have made typo where I have put my surname as a driver

 

their reply

I will post it here as I have found it in may email box

 

where is the NTK you got that made you reply?

I dont have it anymore - it was 4 years ago

you were caught on cctv by the spycar?

yes - white car

whay date is on the letter of claim please and who is it from Elms Legal?

 

24/09/2021, its not from ELMS legal

 

this is vcs at liverpool jla airport

yes

 

 

appeal-reply-2.pdf

 

I have spent whole weekend researching whole forum and others , and managed to create draft letter in response to Letter before claim.

 

 

My Road
My Town
My County
My Postcode

Date xxxxxxxxxxx
Your Reference No. xxxxxxxxxxx

 

Dear Sir

 

I have received your Letter Before Claim dated xxxxxxxxxxxxx
I deny any debt to Vehicle Control Services and will not under any circumstances make the payment that you have demanded in the absence of a court judgment. 
According to the PRE-ACTION PROTOCOL FOR DEBT CLAIMS (PAP) and Practice Direction - Pre-Action Conduct (paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c)), you were required to provide me with specific data. However, you did not comply with that, which will be noted in further legal proceedings and will be drawn to the attention of the Court. Aforementioned data is as follows:


provide me copy of Initial Notice to Keeper 
an explanation of the cause of action
whether you are pursuing me as driver or keeper
whether you are relying on the provisions of Schedule 4 of POFA 2012
what the details of the claim are; where exactly it is claimed the vehicle was stopped, for how long, how the monies being claimed arose and have been calculated
Is the claim for a contractual breach? If so, what is the date of the agreement? The names of the parties to it and provide to me a copy of that contract (the sign) and contemporaneous (dated) images and/or map showing how many signs were along the roadways on the material date and their position and orientation in relation to the vehicle.  I believe that your purported 'no stopping zone' includes insufficient repeater signs and/or that some or all of them are set back from the kerb and fail to face oncoming traffic, thus the alleged contractual terms cannot possibly be read whilst the car is moving.  Kindly help me to narrow the issues with the evidence you intend to rely upon regarding the signs, in accordance with the PAP.
Provide me a copy of the contract with the landowner under which you assert authority to bring the claim, as required by the IPC code of practice section B, clause 1.1 establishing yourself as the creditor;
details of the signs displayed (size of sign, size of font, height at which displayed)

 

Please treat this letter as a formal request for all of the documents / information that the protocol now requires you to provide.
Until you have complied with your obligations and provide this information, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged claim and to consider my position in relation to it, and it is entirely premature (and a waste of costs and court time) for you to issue proceedings. Should you choose to do so, then I will seek an immediate stay pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction and an order that this information is provided.

 

Yours faithfully,

xxxxxxxxxxxx

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God where did you get that twaddle from...if you want Simon to get the upper hand..then go ahead and send that war and peace.

 

Use our std 4 para one in just about every VCS no stopping thread here

 

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thanks for fast replies guys. English in not my native language so I am trying my best. 

 

What is std 4 para?

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Search here as advised......

 

Dx

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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My Road
My Town
My County
My Postcode

Date xx xx xx
 
Your Reference No. xxxxxxx

DEAR VCS,

With regards your letter date 24/09/21.

Thanks for the letter before claim. So you seem to think I owe you money?

I had a great laugh at the idea you actually thought I'd take such nonsense seriously and pay you my hard earned cash.

You see I know that your claim has no basis in law whatsoever.

 It's an obvious scare tactic or the junior you got to write the letter is thick as two short planks!

So seeing as you now know that I know this, you have two options really.

Your can either drop this hopeless case or we will go to court where I will embarrass you and also go for unreasonably high costs.

It will be easy money for Christmas for the family and me.

Full Name

 

Do I need to sign it?

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Thank you. Just to be on the safe side... Do I need to sign it or just leave my full name printed?

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Don't sign the snotty letter, just leave your full name printed.

 

Well done on what you found.

 

However, I think it would be better to send a version of the one I suggested, simply because it's specifically aimed at VCS about a no stopping airport case like yours.

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Hello everyone.

 

I just reccived SAR data which I have requested month ago. Just want to make an update on my topic. Making new post because I cant edit old one.

 

Thanks

 

1 Date of the infringement

01/04/2018
 

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date]

05/04/2018

 

[scan up BOTH SIDES as ONE PDF- follow the upload guide]

Uploaded document recently form SAR request which I have recived this week

 

3 Date received

N/A
 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?]

I dont think so. Cant find something like that
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event?

yes
 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal]

yes - i have admitted I was the driver and my vehicle went failure
 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up

yes - rejected
 

7 Who is the parking company?

VCS

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town]

Liverpool john Lennon Airport
 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under.

I dont know

ntk.pdf

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i will guess the photos you've totally omitted.... are taken from their spycar?

ideally you only need to redact your reg no. not the whole photo.......

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Sorry for making mess here, but I cant edit my previous posts. I forgot to post my appeal. Their response is already posted here.

I have just seen dx100uk post.

Reuploading previous documents.

I have got also some kind of log what was happening with my case. i can upload those as well if needed.

 

Thanks

documents.pdf

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opp theres that magic word fine, in your appeal.   so they know you haven't a clue legally what you are talking about.

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Well I have appeal right after I have received that notice. I wasnt aware totally of that kind of scam industry. During later days I got an idea how stupid my appeal was.

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I have decided to upload those SAR logs.

I have also just noticed that my latest address was acquired in some dodgy way. I havent informed them about it. On those logs says It was traced by DBCL.

any ideas?

 

However I have made successful appeals of different PCN this year.

SAR.pdf

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interesting upon your correct and current address.

 

as an overall legal blanket it's worthy to remember the golden rule on any debt, regardless of its type....

 

if your have moved since you took any credit out within say the last 7yrs, it's always worthy to write via royal mail to each debt owner legally in writing informing them of your correct and current address, had you not already informed the original creditor or the debt buyer/dca of your move prior to this.

 

so that also applies to this speculative invoice....

pers i would, regardless to the fact that dogs for the fleccers have 'found oyu', i would write to VCS legally informing them of you current and correct address now.

 

Simon will not mis a chance to file a backdoor ccj and if the description of your current status re this speculative invoice is as above, legally he could use your old address on your car's V5C.

 

dx

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Just to confirm.  You have sent the snotty letter, haven't you?

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